# JD Vance Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 19, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892 "2024-08-19T00:22:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/641 "2024-09-28T19:56:57Z")
Sorry, my bad. I misunderstood. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/642 "2024-09-28T19:59:20Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > If that’s what you got from that then I’m sorry, but not even a little bit what I meant. > > I only meant that they spout all the angry OT stuff and none of the Jesus love stuff. It’s meant to criticize that they don’t understand their own religion. > > Come on There’s plenty of angry stuff in the Christian testaments (some though not all of which @Velocity just quoted above) and plenty of stuff in the Pentateuch about social justice. If you want to say that they pick and choose from their own accepted Bible and ignore or misunderstand much of it, then say that. Don’t say that there’s anything particularly Jewish about it. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/643 "2024-09-28T22:00:37Z")
Vance spent this afternoon hanging out in a Pittsburgh parking lot after Primanti Bros refused to let him use their restaurant for a campaign shoot. > **['Embarrassing': J.D. Vance shakes hands in parking lot when sandwich shop...](https://www.rawstory.com/jd-vance-primanti-bros-sandwich-parking-lot/)** > > A sandwich shop outside of Pittsburgh refused to let Senator J.D. Vance host a planned campaign event, instead reportedly forcing the Republican vice presidential nominee to shake hands in a parking lot. > > NBC senior political desk editor Doug Adams... ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/644 "2024-09-28T22:16:40Z")
Wouldn’t they ideally have called ahead to make sure the shop would welcome them? It’s the donut shop all over again. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/645 "2024-09-28T22:26:57Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Wouldn’t they ideally have called ahead to make sure the shop would welcome them? Whatever makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/646 "2024-09-29T00:58:31Z")
In 2023, Vance said the reason people are having fewer children is because of those darn seatbelt laws. > ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/647 "2024-09-29T01:23:20Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > and plenty of stuff in the Pentateuch about social justice. Indeed, when Jesus said “Love your neighbor as yourself”, he was quoting from (very well-known) Jewish scripture. Part of the point of his response was “Why are you asking me such idiotic questions? They teach this in kindergarten; weren’t you paying attention?”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/648 "2024-09-29T01:33:47Z")
So naturally it turns out there’s more to this story - the Harris campaign rented a Primanti Bros location last month to host a thank-you party for volunteers, and the magas responded by claiming that the volunteers were “actors” and harassing Primanti on social media. So naturally when Vance and his entourage showed up unannounced and expected to be treated like VIPs, it didn’t happen. > **[Did Harris-Walz Campaign 'Stage' Pennsylvania Restaurant Photo Op with 'Paid...](https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/08/22/harris-restaurant-paid-actors/)** > > The Harris-Walz campaign's bus tour through western Pennsylvania on Aug. 18, 2024, ended with a rumor about a stop at a Primanti Bros. sandwich shop. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/649 "2024-09-29T01:37:13Z")
The question of the hour is, will JD Vance deign to shave before the debate on Tuesday? I grant that some men like to grow a beard, but that’s not what this is. It’s a comical affectation, much like the orange marmoset that lives atop the head of his boss. These two should be in a circus, not running for national office. Judging someone on their appearance may sometimes be unfair or superficial, but in this case it reflects their seriously impaired judgment about almost everything. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/650 "2024-09-29T02:07:01Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Judging someone on their appearance may sometimes be unfair or superficial, but in this case it reflects their seriously impaired judgment about almost everything. The first clause may be true but of course many do anyway. The second? Have you seen pictures of him without his facial hair? This really _is_ an improvement, as superficial as it may be. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/651 "2024-09-29T02:26:37Z")
His haircut is worse than the beard. Have you seen the back of his head? Looks like one of his kids cut his hair. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/652 "2024-09-29T07:01:57Z")
Speaking of which: has he _ever_ said anything nice in public about his own children? Between the “they eat 14 eggs every morning” comment and the “shut the hell up” one, he seems to consider them a burden. Which is surprising for a man so obsessed with people having kids. Maybe he’s secretly jealous of childless cat ladies? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/653 "2024-09-29T08:34:05Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Which is surprising for a man so obsessed with people having kids. I think he wants to imitate his idol Trump by treating them like crap, so they grow up strong and virtuous like Trump’s kids (and Trump himself of course). ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/654 "2024-09-29T08:39:16Z")
Vance isn’t a true believer. He knows Trump’s full of shit and is using him to try and get power for himself. Vance just started a family because he felt a social obligation to do so, regrets it, and hates people who chose differently because they “cheated”. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/655 "2024-09-29T08:42:14Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Vance isn’t a true believer. He knows Trump’s full of shit and is using him to try and get power for himself. Perhaps. I’m not sure if he’s an opportunistic suck-up like Lindsay Graham or a real born-again convert. Either one is deplorable. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/656 "2024-09-29T10:11:24Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Strong disagree. > > The jobs for Walz are > > - first to be a person who unsure voters can feel comfortable has the temperament and judgement to step into the top job if need be, > - and second to remind people, subtly, that Vance has a good chance of having to do that, and get those unsure voters _very worried_ about that. > > Sophmoric games do not do that. This. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/657 "2024-09-29T11:18:17Z")
I was wondering if Vance resents his children because they’re mixed race. I just don’t understand why he never says anything positive about them. Even Trump throws his kids a complement sometimes.Vance acts like he thinks that the idea of raising children makes you virtuous but he doesn’t like the reality of having children. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/658 "2024-09-29T12:39:41Z")
I think Vance thinks this is how bros talk about their kids. I know a guy like this who thinks it’s hyuk-hyuk funny to bitch about his snot-nosed brats and his nagging wife. I mean these are not the types of men to emulate, especially when you’re running for high office, but Vance seems to struggle with how to be a normal man. He actually seems to be trying to figure out how to be a man in real time before our very eyes, and he’s modeling himself after terrible examples of manhood. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/659 "2024-09-29T13:10:33Z")
Yeah, my kickboxing teacher is kinda similar. He always tells jokes like he loves going to concerts because he can’t hear his wife for a few days and it’s paradise. He’s also a “my dad was rough with me and these kids have it so easy” type. I guess it’s a draw for some people. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/660 "2024-09-29T13:49:48Z")
More about the Pimanti Brothers stop. > **[Primanti Bros., JD Vance explain incident at Pa. stop as social media calls...](https://www.pennlive.com/news/2024/09/primanti-bros-jd-vance-explain-incident-at-pa-stop-as-social-media-calls-for-boycott.html)** > > The restaurant and Vance seem to be on the same page, but that isn't stopping folks on social media from attacking the restaurant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=34)