# JD Vance Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 19, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892 "2024-08-19T00:22:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/661 "2024-09-29T19:55:49Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think he wants to imitate his idol Trump by treating them like crap, so they grow up strong and virtuous like Trump’s kids (and Trump himself of course). I just finished Mary Trump’s latest book (_Who Could Ever Love You_), and this sounds like the Trump family tradition. Horrible, _horrible_ people. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/662 "2024-09-29T20:22:22Z")
CBS says Vance will be allowed to lie as much as he wants at the debate and they won’t stand in his way. Journalistic responsibility? What’s that? > **[CBS News says it will be up to Vance and Walz to fact-check each other in...](https://apnews.com/article/cbs-debate-vice-president-fact-check-7a3b31c98ab092dd44915df57a359d10)** > > When JD Vance and Tim Walz take the stage for next week's vice presidential debate, CBS News says it will be up to the candidates, not the moderators, to fact-check each other. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/663 "2024-09-30T00:56:47Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > He actually seems to be trying to figure out how to be a man in real time before our very eyes, and he’s modeling himself after terrible examples of manhood. I think this is very likely true, considering his upbringing, which had no men in it to emulate other than an alcoholic grandfather who beat his grandmother and a rotating cast of his mother’s husbands/boyfriends, which he tried to suck up to (sound familiar there?). He also has no idea how to raise or relate to a kid. That’s all going to be up to his wife. I think he pretty desperately wants a ‘normal’ family life, but he also has no idea what that really looks like, at least not from the inside. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/664 "2024-09-30T01:53:01Z")
All of which would be quite sad and worthy of pity, if he weren’t running for the Vice Presidency at the same time. Hey, JD, figure out your own personal issues first, then run for office. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/665 "2024-09-30T01:53:13Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > I think he pretty desperately wants a ‘normal’ family life, but he also has no idea what that really looks like, at least not from the inside. Isn’t that the whole problem with the Make America Great Again movement. Nobody has any idea of how America was Great in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/666 "2024-09-30T02:43:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Hey, JD, figure out your own personal issues first, then run for office. Or, he could have [Dr. Sidney Schaefer](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062153/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_in_0_q_president%27s%2520an) help him with his issues – but, on Jadey’s couch, not the doctor’s couch. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/667 "2024-09-30T10:05:16Z")
Maybe we’re all wrong. Maybe we’re just interpreting everything Vance does in the worst light. This guy who’s been prepping him for the debate seems to like him. [“I think JD is very likable, and I think he’s well-liked, and I don’t buy into these snapshot polls that are being done for a specific reason,” Emmer said.](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tom-emmer-vance-hold-walz-accountable-vp-debate/story?id=114319476) ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/668 "2024-09-30T10:40:53Z")
Well that’s one opinion. I read that Vance is prepping with habba the nut so my expectations are tempered. How can you call yourself a journalist and not fact check. You should just call yourself a question reader. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/669 "2024-09-30T12:46:48Z")
Emmer also said: > [@](#): > > “Vance could talk about the economy that Donald Trump fixed and that Harris and Biden broke. He can talk about the border that Trump fixed and they broke. He can talk about peace and stability around the world, which they don’t even have a clue [about]; they’ve caused all of this disruption,” Emmer said. I’m sure doing debate prep with someone so far removed from reality won’t hurt Vance at all… ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/670 "2024-09-30T14:05:44Z")
I suspect that Vance will just say all that stuff as if it were true. And most or all of the Trumpists will believe him. Trump I think believes that if he says something firmly enough, that’s what truth is. Vance quite possibly knows better, but has probably noticed that Trump’s technique appears to work on quite a lot of people. Unless one of them loses it entirely, I doubt this debate will make much difference; and I don’t think either of them will do that. However – in this election, even a little difference may turn out to be a big difference. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/671 "2024-09-30T17:27:36Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Vance isn’t a true believer. He knows Trump’s full of shit and is using him to try and get power for himself. I believe this. It would be hilarious if Walz kinda gives him the _‘nudge-nudge, wink-wink’_ insinuating we all know this, and then watch Cheato go nut-balls with paranoia about Vance being out to get him. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/672 "2024-09-30T17:48:17Z")
Vance’s people are already trying to spin his expected loss tomorrow by hyping how good a debater Walz is. They must know more than Tim does, because Walz doesn’t consider himself a debater at all. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/673 "2024-09-30T22:49:08Z")
I’ve heard Vance is a master debater! ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/674 "2024-09-30T22:51:51Z")
I like the way you couched that language! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/675 "2024-09-30T22:51:57Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Vance is a master debater he is absolutely divan ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/676 "2024-09-30T23:08:38Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > CBS says Vance will be allowed to lie as much as he wants at the debate and they won’t stand in his way. > > Journalistic responsibility? What’s that? The former home of Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite is now just a worthless profit-seeking racket. For some strange reason a huge swath of American voters either know nothing or believe in outright lies. I wonder why? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/677 "2024-10-01T01:25:53Z")
Of course, if they fact-check Vance they’re “clearly biased.” So the media can’t win. mostly /s ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/678 "2024-10-01T05:29:33Z")
Did anyone watch Rachel Maddow tonight? She showed an interview with vance on some rightwing vlog or something. At some point vance mentioned some other guy that Maddow showed clips of at some sort of speech (sorry I didn’t get names or locations I was trying to multi-task gonna see if I can find more detail tomorrow I know this very vague 🫢 ) anyway this guy vance refernced counciled, among other, wonderful things that the US needs to RAGE: Retire All Government Employees, delete the government, and hire a CEO, which according to this goober is the same thing as a dictator. He opined that [in order to change the government] apparently he thinks all right thinking people do [Americans must _ **get over their** _ dictator phobia.] So, much of the stuff vance says echos the crap this creepy weirdo was preaching. Ugh! I can’t believe these creeps share the same country as the rest of us. Obviouly, they don’t want it to be the same country. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/679 "2024-10-01T06:00:28Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > At some point vance mentioned some other guy that Maddow showed clips of at some sort of speech (sorry I didn’t get names or locations I was trying to multi-task gonna see if I can find more detail tomorrow I know this very vague 🫢 ) anyway this guy vance refernced counciled, among other, wonderful things that the US needs to RAGE: Retire All Government Employees, delete the government, and hire a CEO, which according to this goober is the same thing as a dictator. The guy’s name is Curtis Yarvin. According to this Vox article from 2022, Yarvin has been espousing these ideas for a while, and – surprise surprise – Yarvin has also been associated with Vance’s patron, Peter Thiel. > **[Curtis Yarvin wants American democracy toppled. He has some prominent...](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23373795/curtis-yarvin-neoreaction-redpill-moldbug)** > > Yarvin is in the ear of Blake Masters, Peter Thiel, and J.D. Vance. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/680 "2024-10-01T06:11:57Z")
Yes, that was the guy. Thank you for clearing up some of my ridiculously vague post. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=35)