# JD Vance Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 19, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892 "2024-08-19T00:22:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/721 "2024-10-17T16:20:15Z")
Thank you kindly. I wonder who he thinks he’s fooling with this asinine equivocation. Those that believe that nonsense are already in his camp. If not by “those words”, then _which_ ones? Who is he waffling for? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/722 "2024-10-17T16:23:01Z")
I had the same thought. What is the downside for him to making a full-throated assertion that Trump undoubtedly won, the election was rife with fraud, and he’s the one who should be sitting behind the Resolute Desk? What’s with the pussyfooting? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/723 "2024-10-17T17:49:01Z")
My apologies. I posted the wrong link. Thanks to @Atamasama for providing the correct one. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/724 "2024-10-17T18:08:40Z")
Soooo, trump "won"because Hunter’s laptop. OK. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/725 "2024-10-17T19:05:58Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > What is the downside for him to making a full-throated assertion that Trump undoubtedly won, the election was rife with fraud, and he’s the one who should be sitting behind the Resolute Desk? What’s with the pussyfooting? There really isn’t one. If later he feels a need to recant and say the opposite, nothing is stopping him. He compared Trump to Hitler not long ago and he’s now his running mate. There are obviously no long-term consequences for saying whatever is most convenient for him in the short term. As to why he’s **not** saying it? Cowardice maybe, or maybe he’s being warned not to by members of the Trump campaign, who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/726 "2024-10-17T19:09:44Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > What is the downside for him to making a full-throated assertion that Trump undoubtedly won, the election was rife with fraud, and he’s the one who should be sitting behind the Resolute Desk? What’s with the pussyfooting? I’d say _'some residual sense of shame_’ but that’s obviously absurd. My guess is that he knows quite well that Trump doesn’t have much time left, and Vance wants to preserve his chance at a career among the Republicans who will gratefully deep-six Trumpism when they think they can. And by prevaricating, Vance can claim that he “never” actually said that Trump won in 2020. And he’ll probably get away with it. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/727 "2024-10-17T20:57:28Z")
A post-trump R party will have a lot of insider people LOUDLY competing to claim that all their full-throated toadying approval of trump and praise for MAGAtism for the last 8 or 12 years was all just a well-honed act to position themselves for the new reality that king trump is well and truly dead and now we’re turning the page into our Brave New World. (Which allusion they will not get.) It’ll be great fun to watch the naked ambition competing with the craven total absence of ethics. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/728 "2024-10-17T21:31:27Z")
OMG Vance killed Liam Payne?? ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/729 "2024-10-18T00:35:17Z")
Maybe he ate his dog ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/730 "2024-10-18T09:56:48Z")
I wonder how much influence Vance’s mother had over shaping the worldview he has today? And I guess this is meant to be a story that would resonate with a lot of people? MAGA, obviously, but anyone else? > **[JD Vance tells a revealing story about his mother and race](https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/jd-vance-mother-biracial-children-crt-schools-rcna175725)** > > In an eye-opening story he shared during an event for conservative moms in Pennsylvania, the GOP vice presidential nominee recounted his mother’s anger over his children being identified as biracial. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/731 "2024-10-20T10:18:06Z")
Veteran reporter James Fallows [says](https://open.substack.com/pub/fallows/p/election-countdown-17-days-to-go?r=8urhc&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email) that JD Vance is “incalculably more threatening” than Trump. He notes that Elon Musk and Peter Thiel got JD Vance to where he is and says that this election is all about those three. > “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible,” Peter Thiel famously wrote in 2009. Speaking for myself, I do not believe that plutocracy and democracy are compatible. That’s the head-on contest in this election. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/732 "2024-10-20T14:17:48Z")
Does Vance ever refer to his kids or wife by name? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/733 "2024-10-23T23:16:02Z")
Vance all but says that evangelicals who think he and Trump were anointed by God are full of it. > ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/734 "2024-10-26T03:08:17Z")
Well, JD, you sold your soul to this man and this is what he thinks of you. > ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/735 "2024-10-26T17:24:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Well, JD, you sold your soul to this man and this is what he thinks of you. I bet JD spent more time than usual, after that, compulsively re-reading the 25th Amendment. When Trump chose JD I wondered how soon he’d regret it—not on the basis of any perceived harm to his ticket, but because JD doesn’t have Mike Pence’s natural submissiveness. Sitting at a table with Trump, JD would NEVER put his own water bottle on the floor as soon as Trump did. Nor would JD ever praise Donald’s “broad shoulders.” Donald must feel a certain degree of nostalgia for the Pence days… ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/736 "2024-10-26T20:36:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Nor would JD ever praise Donald’s “broad shoulders.” He says that trump compares favorably to Arnold Palmer. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/737 "2024-10-26T20:37:31Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > He says that trump compares favorably to Arnold Palmer. Seriously? Vance said–or even implied–that? Because when is he supposed to have…found out? 😬 ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/738 "2024-10-27T23:21:13Z")
I wrote that in jest, but seriously, I surprised that trump didn’t include Tiger in his big cock soliloquy. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/739 "2024-10-28T17:40:24Z")
Yesterday CNN ran an interview of Vance by Jake Tapper which is worth some attention. Tapper **didn’t** go the ‘_be nice to the fascist, preserve access, keep on his good side_’ route (which somewhat surprised me). He kept to the question about John Kelly’s remark about Trump (“certainly falls into the general definition of Fascist”) and Trump’s promise to go after the “enemies within.” Vance tried to sell the idea that every general or other high-ranking Trump official (Kelly, Mattis, McMaster, Bolton, Milley, Esper) who has said Trump is unfit, is saying that because they are Warmongers who know Trump is a Man of Peace, and if Trump gets in he will foil their plans to go to war. This was NOT accepted at face value by Tapper, who pushed back hard. Vance then tried to change the subject–several times–and Tapper kept bringing back the ‘respected figures say Trump is unfit and Trump himself says he’ll take revenge on political opponents’ topic. Vance tried desperately, but could NOT perform the usual ‘_change the topic and/or sanewash what Trump actually said_’ trick that Republicans have been–and still are!–performing all over the media. > **[READ: JD Vance’s interview with Jake Tapper on ‘State of the Union’ | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/27/politics/jd-vance-jake-tapper-state-of-the-union-transcript/index.html)** > > Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance appeared on “State of the Union” on Sunday in a taped interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper. Read the full transcript of the interview here. (A representative sample of Vance’s wriggling on the hook:) > [@](#): > > TAPPER: I’m talking about the guy that had your job before Donald Trump’s supportive crowd wanted to hang him, Vice President Mike Pence, who said, as you know, that Trump put himself before the Constitution. I’m talking about General Mattis, also secretary of defense in Trump’s administration. I’m talking about Mark Esper, the secretary of defense who told me that Trump does have Fascistic tendencies. John Bolton, H.R. McMaster – > VANCE: Every single one — > TAPPER: These are Trump administration officials! (CROSSTALK) > VANCE: Okay, Jake, are you gonna listen to every single Trump administration official? Do you know one reason why Kamala Harris doesn’t have as many people criticizing her, is because she doesn’t fire people who fail. That’s why we haven’t had a real audit of the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal is because Kamala Harris protects failures in government. Donald Trump fires them, and I’d much rather have the president who fires people who screw up. Now, Jake, now this is an important point. (CROSSTALK) > TAPPER: He did not fire Mike Pence! > VANCE: Kamala Harris – > TAPPER: He did not fire Mike Pence. > VANCE: Kamala Harris – > TAPPER: He did not fire Mark Milley. (CROSSTALK) This won’t make any difference to Trump voters, of course. But it’s still nice to see, especially in the face of Bezos’ bowing down to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/740 "2024-10-28T19:25:56Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yesterday CNN ran an interview of Vance by Jake Tapper which is worth some attention. I watched that! Comedy Gold, if it wasn’t so tragic. Tapper really seems to getting his Ire up, and you can tell he’s just really tired of the Bullshit and Isn’t Going to Take it Anymore! Much respect! He’s fun to watch.Too bad he is forced to edit himself somewhat. I’d love to hear him let loose. Vance is such a putz. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=38)