# JD Vance Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 19, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892 "2024-08-19T00:22:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/741 "2024-10-29T00:17:14Z")
Wait. Didn’t Harris turn over 90% of her staff? She was so horrible to work for that everybody quit or was fired but nobody criticizes her because she doesn’t fire anybody. I think my brain is bleeding. I also saw him on Face the Nation where he argued that all of these men were retaliating against Trump for his firing them for incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/742 "2024-10-29T00:33:01Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Wait. Didn’t Harris turn over 90% of her staff? She was so horrible to work for that everybody quit or was fired but nobody criticizes her because she doesn’t fire anybody. I think my brain is bleeding. JD just flat-out lies because the rules state there will be no fact-checking. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/743 "2024-10-29T01:54:17Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > JD just flat-out lies because the rules state there will be no fact-checking. _‘No, the rules state the opposite. What, are you going to fact-check that?’_ ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/744 "2024-10-29T05:33:29Z")
I don’t feel enough people understand that if they vote GOP, or don’t vote at all, JD FuckVance will be president in about two years. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/745 "2024-10-29T16:20:23Z")
It is always more fun to have him take over on Jan 21st 2027 so that he can be re-elected twice. But it is interesting to mull a 25A kerfuffle. If the cabinet and VP say the President is unfit and the President responds _no, no, I’m fit, I’m the fittest, nobody has ever been as fit as I am_, Congress has to vote on the question, and the VP needs a two-thirds majority to prevail. The question is, if you are a Democrat, do you want to vote for competent nihilism to replace bumbling nihilism? ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/746 "2024-10-29T20:50:26Z")
Not sure I agree Vance is competent. More competent than Trump, yes, but that’s a low bar (and Trump doesn’t care about being competent). But not sure he’d be effective at, well, anything. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/747 "2024-10-29T20:57:46Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Vance is such a putz. Indeed. If you haven’t already seen it, this three-minute clip of Pete Buttigieg eviscerating Vance is worthwhile: > [@](#): > > I know a lot of guys like JD Vance … who would say whatever they needed to, to get ahead… [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7XuIEg_Y4fM/maxresdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCIAKENAF8quKqQMa8AEB-AH-CYAC0AWKAgwIABABGH8gSSgcMA8=&rs=AOn4CLBg04wN6fYe9ZUqeqcqyzU72mOFdA "Pete Buttigieg on JD Vance | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XuIEg_Y4fM2) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2024, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/748 "2024-10-30T10:16:22Z")
I thought Mark “Nude Africa” Robinson was persona non grata among Republicans these days. I guess no one told Safety Vance about it. > **[On North Carolina’s Mark Robinson, did Vance miss the memo?](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/north-carolinas-mark-robinson-vance-miss-memo-rcna177827)** > > Donald Trump avoids saying North Carolina Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson’s name out loud. So why is JD Vance calling him “great”? ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/749 "2024-11-03T19:41:15Z")
People are saying that after Trump fellated a mic stand, Vance was so jealous he went home and slapped his couch around. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/750 "2024-11-03T21:56:33Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > It is always more fun to have him take over on Jan 21st 2027 so that he can be re-elected twice. The fact that Trump won, in this scenario, indicates that incumbency is now toxic is the U.S., as it is internationally: [Voters everywhere rage against the incumbents](https://www.axios.com/2024/06/06/world-elections-anti-incumbent-leaders-backlash) Vance is IMHO opinion smart, and, unlike Harris, has zero loyalty to the guy at the head of this ticket. So he would want an impaired Trump to stay in office. Then Vance would try to make out that the failures of the Trump administration were ones he had been against. If I am wrong, and Vance saw a 25th amendment scenario as in his interest, why would the president’s cabinet go along? With an impaired president, cabinet members can run their departments as they wish. I can not see the sec. of state or defense wanting Vance bossing them around. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/751 "2024-11-04T00:10:56Z")
Vance says that Trump would never try to censor people for speaking against him, because apparently he’s never met his running mate. > **['What a liar': Jaws drop at J.D. Vance's outlandish claim about Donald Trump](https://www.rawstory.com/w-2669569261/)** > > Former President Donald Trump's running mate has Democrat jaws dropping after he suggested there was one thing his boss would never do.Sen. J.D. Vance told rally attendees in Aston, Pennsylvania, on Sunday that the Republican presidential nominee... ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/752 "2024-11-04T01:10:32Z")
Somehow the “post-truth” era has now morphed into the “post basic consistent logic” era. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/753 "2024-11-04T02:14:37Z")
Assuming (please God) that Trump loses the election bigly, what does the future look like for our esteemed JD Vance? Does he set up his own MAGA grifting enterprise? Sell fake Viagra and gold plated Tchotchkes? Shrivel up like a drying dog turd on a hot sidewalk? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/754 "2024-11-04T02:21:27Z")
He rides out his term, unsuccessfully tries to run for the nomination in 2028, then leaves his family and becomes Peter Thiel’s “chauffeur”. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/755 "2024-11-04T10:57:24Z")
A side note-I’m really tired of these headlines like “Experts stunned” or “So-and-so destroys Trump.” I know it’s for clicks, but it’s still irritating. That’s not aimed at you for sharing them, of course. Apparently there are some voters who don’t like Trump but do like Vance. Not a lot, but they’re out there. 🤷‍♂️ > **[Opinion | The voters who despise Trump but really like JD Vance](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/never-trump-jd-vance-voters-rcna178205)** > > They’ve never liked Donald Trump. But they’ve never identified with a candidate like they do with JD Vance. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/756 "2024-11-04T21:11:02Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > If I am wrong, and Vance saw a 25th amendment scenario as in his interest, why would the president’s cabinet go along? With an impaired president, cabinet members can run their departments as they wish. I can not see the sec. of state or defense wanting Vance bossing them around. Short answer: money can always change hands. What’s _'dislike of having to humor Vance_’ compared with ‘_getting a shiny new Swiss bank account with $50 million in it_’? Of course all this could be complicated if a) Trump wins, and b) Dems manage to hold on to the Senate. In that scenario, there ARE no Cabinet Secretaries—just “acting” Secretaries. Trump loves the whole Acting Official option because it gives him so much leverage over those he appoints…they’re just temps, so they have to work extra hard to please him! _ **Can** _ an Acting Secretary vote (either way) on a 25th Amendment question? That may be one for Trump’s SCOTUS. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/757 "2024-11-04T23:00:47Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Apparently there are some voters who don’t like Trump but do like Vance. Not a lot, but they’re out there. 🤷‍♂️ I believe it. Trump and Vance are very different people in a number of ways. While I can’t imagine liking either of them, personally, this seems very plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/758 "2024-11-05T00:05:29Z")
In retrospect, choosing to make “garbage” the theme of the final week of the campaign will be considered to have been a bad move. > ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/759 "2024-11-05T01:01:17Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > In retrospect, choosing to make “garbage” the theme of the final week of the campaign will be considered to have been a bad move. Sounds like a _Far Side_ caption. Probably with a picture of a cow driving a garbage truck. The more time goes on, the more reality seems like a cartoon. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/760 "2024-11-05T02:15:01Z")
Vance is trying to prove that he can be just as despicable a human being as trump. He has succeeded. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=39)