# JD Vance Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 19, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892 "2024-08-19T00:22:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/821 "2025-02-11T18:34:26Z")
What, and lose their influence over him? Nevar! Every Fundie knows all Catholics, but especially Catholics in government, take their direction from Rome. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/822 "2025-02-11T18:40:01Z")
Is this supposed to be serious? I can’t tell. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/823 "2025-02-11T18:54:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Vance has been criticized for his expressed religious views by some liberal woketard: > > [Pope decries 'major crisis' of Trump's mass deportation plans, rejects Vance's theology | National Catholic Reporter](https://www.ncronline.org/vatican/vatican-news/pope-decries-major-crisis-trumps-mass-deportation-plans-rejects-vances) > > Seriously, who are you going to believe about Catholic theology - JD Vance or some foreigner? Especially a Spanish speaking foreigner from a shit-hole country in South America. After all, they stole our name! ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/824 "2025-02-11T21:02:53Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > Is this supposed to be serious? I can’t tell. I’m certain it’s ironic. I’ve been hearing that shit since I was in kindergarten in Catholic school. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/825 "2025-02-11T21:11:54Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > Is this supposed to be serious? I can’t tell. If that was directed at my comment about direction from Rome, I was making the serious suggestion that the fundie morons really do believe that. Not that I think Catholic pols actually take direction from Rome. So the Pope not taking action against Vance amounts to “proof” in fundie eyes that Vance is in effect a papal stooge. They’re OK w trump as Putin’s stooge, so evidently they’re not that worked up about stooges in power. If only there was a third stooge nosing around the White House we’d have the makings of a 1930s-50s comedy skit. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/826 "2025-02-11T22:12:07Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > If only there was a third stooge nosing around the White House we’d have the makings of a 1930s-50s comedy skit. You forgot Musk. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/827 "2025-02-11T22:22:13Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > If only there was a third stooge nosing around the White House we’d have the makings of a 1930s-50s comedy skit. Does Tulsi Gabbard count? (Another Putin stooge, likely to be the next Director of National Intelligence.) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/828 "2025-02-11T22:55:48Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > You forgot Musk. I suppose I could have made it a bit more obvious by italicizing the “only”. You, dear Madam, have been most thoroughly and sincerely whooshed. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/829 "2025-02-11T22:59:13Z")
Wouldn’t be the first time, or the last. P.S. Points for remembering to use “Madam.” ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/830 "2025-02-11T23:37:43Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > I’ve been hearing that shit since I was in kindergarten in Catholic school. I remember hearing it as a tyke aimed at JFK, and I’m not Catholic. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/831 "2025-02-16T03:19:18Z")
I was aaSsassassassSs was a as a ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/832 "2025-02-16T04:03:38Z")
Apparently, foreign democracies not having the exact first amendment model for free speech is more important to Vance than grand questions of war and peace. Yesterday at the Munich Security Conference: [Vance attacks Europe over free speech and migration](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceve3wl21x1o) > [@](#): > > It had been expected that Vance would use his speech at the Munich Security Conference to address possible talks to end the war in Ukraine. > > Instead, he spent the majority accusing European governments - including the UK’s - of retreating from their values, and ignoring voter concerns on migration and free speech. > > The address was met by silence in the hall, and later denounced by several politicians at the conference. German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said it was “not acceptable”. The full speech text is here: [Read: JD Vance’s full speech on the fall of Europe](https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/jd-vance-what-i-worry-about-is-the-threat-from-within/) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/833 "2025-02-16T05:20:59Z")
'Geez Europe! Why you gotta be Nazi Nazis?" ~ JD ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/834 "2025-02-16T12:42:04Z")
Another good article about the conflict between MAGA and Rome. > **[Opinion | These Trump administration Catholics are at odds with Pope Francis](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/pope-francis-jd-vance-immigration-tom-homan-rcna192291)** > > The Trump administration, which describes itself as “faith based,” is in fact setting itself up for an epic religious and social battle with religious groups over deportation. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/835 "2025-02-16T13:28:05Z")
> [@Eric1](#): > > I was aaSsassassassSs was a as a Cat sat on your keyboard? ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/836 "2025-02-16T14:33:09Z")
That is hilarious!! I was going to write that JD Vance was on the street by my place yesterday for a wedding. I was working but saw him on TV. The channel’s camera person had he and his wife in the shot and the reporter said “I don’t recognize him in the shot.” I’m going to quit watching that channel. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/837 "2025-02-18T20:27:51Z")
> [@Eric1](#): > > and the reporter said “I don’t recognize him in the shot.” He’s the one with the beards. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/838 "2025-02-18T20:52:10Z")
Whoever the Vatican picks as the next Pope will be a pretty good barometer of MAGA’s global power. Smart money would be a pick to appease the conservative American Catholics and avoid a schism. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/839 "2025-02-19T01:23:28Z")
The pattern in the modern church has been to alternate a “pastoral”-focused pope with an “academic”/doctrinal-focused one. Which casual observers looking from this side of the wall tend to cast as liberal v. conservative. Francis’ successor just by basic probability was already likely to have a more disciplinarian, strict-observance approach and be less of a people-pleaser no matter what else was going on. And when you do bear in mind general politics, let’s not forget RW populism has been on the rise _ **everywhere** _ and the church’s biggest growth is in the global South where cultures are traditionalist. Americans should not flatter themselves that they are the drivers. (I miss **Bricker** when discussing tgese issues…) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=41)