# JD Vance says that Nazis are discriminated against in Germany **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 15, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356 "2025-02-15T16:32:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/41 "2025-02-16T04:40:59Z")
> [@iamatractorboy](#): > > He also made some bollocks up about Scottish people not being allowed to pray at home. Minor in the scheme of things but still total rubbish. He didn’t make it up himself - it has been the subject of [previous reporting](https://archive.md/EOD8D) to do with laws surrounding abortion clinic access. You would have to be trying _really really hard_, mind you, to flout the terms of the law in your own home. You’d probably have to hire loudspeakers, in fact. But it is theoretically possible. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/42 "2025-02-16T04:51:31Z")
Vance is something that is worse than a Nazi: an opportunist. A remora that will say and do anything to get a few scraps of notice and power. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/43 "2025-02-16T05:10:03Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > have no doubt that couch fucker has Nazi tendencies, but his over the top rhetoric sounds like he’s trying awfully hard to show the co-presidents that he too can be a complete piece of shit and nothing is too loathsome for him to tackle. He’s just trying to establish his dickhead cred so he too can sit a the big boy table Yeah he could be doing Nazi things because he’s a Nazi. He could be doing Nazi things because he’s a spineless simpering lackey without an ounce of moral fiber, and wants to impress his Nazi bosses. There is no functional difference between the two cases so I’m not going to be spending any time working out which is true. I’m comfortable saying he’s a Nazi regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/44 "2025-02-16T05:33:59Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > Its gonna be a long four fucking years The last four weeks already feel like four decades. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/45 "2025-02-16T06:05:24Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > He believes there were fine people on only one side. To be fair, that side was opposed to cultural Marxists and international bankers. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/46 "2025-02-16T06:53:23Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > cultural Marxists and international bankers Also known as _globalists_, the very same people Felon47 keeps railing against. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/47 "2025-02-16T07:13:54Z")
Back in the day they were just international, > **[The International Jew](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew)** > > This is an accepted version of this page > > The International Jew is a four-volume set of antisemitic booklets or pamphlets originally published and distributed in the early 1920s by the Dearborn Publishing Company, an outlet owned by Henry Ford, the American industrialist and automobile manufacturer. > The booklets were a collection of articles originally serialized in Ford's Dearborn Independent newspaper, beginning with The International Jew: The World's Problem, published on May 22, 1920. ---
**Author:** ![iamatractorboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iamatractorboy/32/21261_2.png) [@iamatractorboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamatractorboy)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/48 "2025-02-16T07:23:38Z")
Maybe that’s the Flat Earthers’ version of anti-semitic bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/49 "2025-02-16T07:26:12Z")
You might not be surprised to learn that a significant number of Flat Earthers are anti-Semites. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/50 "2025-02-16T08:33:58Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Vance is something that is worse than a Nazi: an opportunist. An envious, jealous, petty opportunist. Ignorant and taktless too, and proud of it. I remember buying his _Hillbilly Elegy_ while on vacation in Ireland when it came out (that’s what happens when you believe the blurbs) and some scenes stuck in my mind. For instance, when he ranted against a cashier in the supermarket who had a better phone than he had, which was so unfair! After reading it I gave the book to a colleague who asked about it under the condition that he never give it back to me, so that he would not spend a cent that would benefit this POS, still be informed, and I would be relieved of this stain on my bookstands. After reading the book he told me he understood what I meant. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/51 "2025-02-16T08:55:20Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > I have no doubt that couch fucker has Nazi tendencies, but his over the top rhetoric sounds like he’s trying awfully hard to show the co-presidents that he too can be a complete piece of shit and nothing is too loathsome for him to tackle. He’s just trying to establish his dickhead cred so he too can sit a the big boy table. I think this sums up Vance nicely. He thought he and Trump would be the stars of the show, but instead, it’s Trump and (the unelected) Musk. I’d suggest that all of Vance’s wonky and outlandish statements are attempts to grab attention, to prove his relevance, and to show that he is qualified to sit, as our friend @WOOKINPANUBv.2 points out, at the big boys’ table. Alas, Vance is finding that VPs do little of note, until the President dies or becomes incapacitated (cf. LBJ taking over from JFK in the aircraft from Dallas). Yes, there is the tiebreaking vote, but that won’t always happen. And unlike Harris, he has not even been appointed “border czar,” while Musk has been made head of DOGE. Vance has to remain relevant somehow, hence the outlandish statements that get the media that he thinks he should have, instead of Musk. Forget it, JD. This is Trumptown. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/52 "2025-02-16T10:13:22Z")
There’s a saying that comes to mind. “What do you call it when somebody sits down at a table with nine Nazis? Ten Nazis.” If Vance if defending Nazis and aligning himself with them, then he’s a Nazi. We can’t real minds, it’s words and actions that matter; his innermost beliefs are of no relevance to anyone but himself if he never expresses or acts on them. > [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > The word Aryan comes from the name of the Indo-Aryan subbranch of the Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European languages. Aryan = Iranian, after some centuries of linguistic drift. The historical Aryans and the Nazi ideology Aryans are separate concepts however. The latter are pseudoscientific racist imaginings, while the [former](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan) were re-named Indo-Iranians since the term has become too closely associated with the Nazis. But if you could use a time machine and ask them they’d have called themselves Aryan. ---
**Author:** ![natureboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@natureboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/natureboy)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/53 "2025-02-16T12:17:02Z")
I don’t think this is an audition. It might seem like Vance was trolling or otherwise not being serious, but he’s deadly serious: the United States and Europe (and many of our post-WW2/Cold War allies) no longer have a shared value system or a shared understanding of what the world should look like. We’re exporting a completely different value system now, one based on mercantilism and imperialism, every nation for itself, with acknowledged spheres of global influence (acknowledged for now anyway). We live in a political jungle now. Might makes right. A few dominant global players and, in MAGAs view, weaker countries had better know their place. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/54 "2025-02-16T12:51:49Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Ignorant and taktless too, and proud of it. I remember buying his _Hillbilly Elegy_ while on vacation in Ireland when it came out (that’s what happens when you believe the blurbs) and some scenes stuck in my mind. For instance, when he ranted against a cashier in the supermarket who had a better phone than he had, which was so unfair! Cite? IIRC, there’s a bit in Elegy where _he’s_ a supermarket cashier, and he notices that — well, here you go: “I also learned how people gamed the welfare system. They’d buy two dozen packs of soda with food stamps and then sell them at a discount for cash. They’d ring up their orders separately, buying food with food stamps, and beer, wine, and cigarettes with cash. They’d regularly go through the checkout line speaking on their cell phones. I could never understand why our lives felt like a struggle while those living off of government largesse enjoyed trinkets that I only dreamed about. “Mamaw listened intently to my experiences at Dillman’s. We began to view much of our fellow working class with mistrust. Most of us were struggling to get by, but we made do, worked hard, and hoped for a better life. But a large minority was content to live off the dole. “Every two weeks, I’d get a small paycheck and notice the line where federal and state income taxes were deducted from my wages. At least as often, our drug-addict neighbor would buy T-bone steaks, which I was too poor to buy for myself but was forced by Uncle Sam to buy for someone else.” ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/55 "2025-02-16T13:03:40Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Cite? Oh, dear, I misremembered a bad book I read about seven or eight years ago? But by your cite I understand why you left the part where I wrote “An envious, jealous, petty opportunist” out. That was too flattering of me. Please let me ask, as you seem to have the book at hand: do I remember rightly at least that one of the blurbs at the back was by Obama saying something like “this book explains how ~~white trash~~ the unprivileged white people feel ~~s~~ ”, or am I mixing this up too? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/56 "2025-02-16T13:14:57Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Oh, dear, I misremembered a bad book I read about seven or eight years ago? But by your cite I understand why you left the part where I wrote “An envious, jealous, petty opportunist” out. I left that out because I thought it could distract from the part I was genuinely curious about. I left in the part about “taktless” because I thought it could emphasize, rather than distract from, the possibility that you’d made an error. > [@](#): > > Please let me ask, as you seem to have the book at hand: I don’t. I read your post, and googled “JD Vance cashier phone”, and the bit I quoted obligingly popped up. As you’ve read the book and I haven’t, I figured I’d ask; maybe you’d reply with a quick, _no, that’s not the bit I had in mind._ ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/57 "2025-02-16T13:21:18Z")
It sounds like the part I had in mind: someone had a phone and ate steaks he craved. I still don’t understand how someone can write this and feel it throws a positive light on them, even if they were the cashier, but then this is turning into a hijack. I think I’ll stop here. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/58 "2025-02-16T13:45:44Z")
How the fuck did he know people on assistance were reselling stuff? Did he stalk them? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/59 "2025-02-16T14:02:42Z")
Pretty standard GOP stuff these days. In a “That’s how I’d do it” analysis of looking at anyone and jumping to conclusions. The first conclusion is always something illegal. 'Cause, that’s how they’d do it. Work hard, scrimp and save, don’t live beyond your means, never enters the calculation. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356/60 "2025-02-16T14:10:16Z")
On another DJT thread (?), I referenced Trump’s management/diplomacy style thusly: > Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I’ll most likely kill you in the morning. – [**The Princess Bride**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNzi2edJmfc) Does it ever yield results? Sure. And a blowtorch _can_ be an effective treatment for athlete’s foot. We recently heard Trump [**decline to give Vance the nod**](https://nypost.com/2025/02/10/us-news/trump-reveals-he-doesnt-view-jd-vance-as-his-successor-in-2028/) as the 2028 heir apparent. I think this is at least partly that: JD Vance is, after all, a Federal employee, but the loyalty tests _he’ll_ be required to take will be at least daily, and for years on end. The goalpost will _never_ be stationary. N+1. Trump is the frat boy who [**pays homeless people**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumfights) to engage in brutal fights for his personal mirth. Vance – like Trump – never had daddy’s love, and it’s crushing him. Having absolutely no moral compass – like Trump – JD will dance to any tune the piper calls, no matter how sadistic, ill-conceived, pyrrhic, or counterproductive. A negative sum game … still puts JD in the game, no? It’s gang initiation rite stuff. It’s shockingly primitive and tribal – entirely on brand for The Donald (yes: the cruelty generally _is_ the point). And, yes: that _is_ as many metaphors as I can mix before I’ve had coffee 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-says-that-nazis-are-discriminated-against-in-germany/1014356.md?page=4)