# JD Vance, Usha Vance, and Erika Kirk **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2025, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527 "2025-11-03T11:32:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/41 "2025-11-04T02:07:16Z")
Who are three people I never want in my kitchen? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/42 "2025-11-04T02:09:47Z")
Okay, Cliff. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/43 "2025-11-04T02:14:59Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > , I think that Vance’s political goose is cooked if he divorces Usha and then marries the grieving widow Kirk Nothing about the Maga movement seems to suggest that to me Remember one of the defining events during the last election campaign was the GOP candidate being prosecuted in relation to an affair he had shortly after his wife gave birth to their son. At no point did he feel the need to deny the affair had happened. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/44 "2025-11-04T02:21:26Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > Nothing about the Maga movement seems to suggest that to me As I posted in the other thread, Vance won’t lose much MAGA support, if any. But a sitting vice-president divorcing his wife while publicly being linked to another woman will not sit well with most Americans. And I doubt that many GOP candidates would appreciate those kinds of headlines. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/45 "2025-11-04T02:22:21Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Nobody is going to give a flying fuck about that couch fucker Only in the same way no one was going to give a shit about the bloviated long island real estate huckster. I don’t see how Vance stands much chance of consolidating trumps support after be pops his clogs (Trump’s certainly not going to do anything make that happen). But I also didn’t see how Trump stood much chance of pulling together enough support to win the presidency either. IMO this Vance’s attempt to do just that, and basically inherit Kirk’s Maga support by marriage. Whether it will work or not is debatable, but if it fails it won’t be because the maga faithful are aghast at his immoral behavior towards his Hindu wife and the mother of his children. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/46 "2025-11-04T02:24:51Z")
Remember, the people actually calling the shots know that Trump is going to die sooner or later, and they want the cultists to consolidate under a new patsy so they can keep the grift going. They probably have a number of other plans if this one doesn’t work out, but it doesn’t cost them much to try. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/47 "2025-11-04T02:26:23Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > As I posted in the other thread, Vance won’t lose much MAGA support, if any. But a sitting vice-president divorcing his wife while publicly being linked to another woman will not sit well with most Americans. And I doubt that many GOP candidates would appreciate those kinds of headlines. Why would they care about that (Vance divorcing his wife to take up with Erika Kirk)? Trump is on wife number 3, Rudy Giuliani is divorced from wife number 3, Newt Gingrich on wife number 3, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/48 "2025-11-04T02:29:51Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > She’s white, a former model (and still, arguably, very attractive), Christian (she was baptized Roman Catholic), and from a well-to-do family in her native Yugoslavia/Slovenia. In other words, the “right kind” of foreigner. Evidently her face bonds to bad plasticine easily which appears to be another MAGA-girl trend. It’s almost as of the basement if The White House has an ‘Easy Fake Oven’. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nETCjdkRtRw/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AHeA4AC6AKKAgwIABABGEIgRihyMA8=&rs=AOn4CLBJvClD41DWdp1z4nlj_o7J5LG-Pw "gwendy dolls attack christy small soldiers") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nETCjdkRtRw) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/49 "2025-11-04T02:34:14Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Trump is on wife number 3, Rudy Giuliani is divorced from wife number 3, Newt Gingrich on wife number 3, etc. Yes, but none of those divorces happened while those guys were in office, and none generated a whole lot of ink. You don’t think that a Vance divorce wouldn’t be a major social media topic? ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/50 "2025-11-04T02:35:12Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > But a sitting vice-president divorcing his wife while publicly being linked to another woman will not sit well with most Americans IMO this is 2015 thinking. The last decade of American politics has shown conclusively that American Republican voters do not actually give a crap about the morals of their politicians (along with so much else they allegedly cared so much about, like the constitution, individual rights, etc. etc j ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/51 "2025-11-04T02:38:13Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > Remember one of the defining events during the last election campaign was the GOP candidate being prosecuted in relation to an affair he had shortly after his wife gave birth to their son. At no point did he feel the need to deny the affair had happened. I’m not arguing that Vance would necessarily pay a price for divorcing, etc. But Trump consistently denied the Stormy “affair.” And I saw multiple videos of MAGA idiots believing it. She was a lying gold digger, a Democratic stooge, etc. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/52 "2025-11-04T02:49:09Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > She was a lying gold digger Not that it’s super relevant to the OP. But calling her a gold digger is absolutely not denying that she slept with Trump, gold diggers are not women who try and get rich by NOT sleeping with rich men 😉 ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/53 "2025-11-04T02:52:45Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > does the MAGA cult keep going on in lockstep and form around the new Trump, or does it shatter and begin in-fighting and sort of wash away? Has any cult ever survived the loss of its leader? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/54 "2025-11-04T03:09:48Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > The last decade of American politics has shown conclusively that American Republican voters do not actually give a crap about the morals of their politicians (along with so much else they allegedly cared so much about, like the constitution, individual rights, etc. etc j Especially considering that, as noted, the present Mrs. Vance is non-white and non-Christian. A lot of MAGA probably view that as “not a real marriage” in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/55 "2025-11-04T03:29:42Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > Not that it’s super relevant to the OP. But calling her a gold digger is absolutely not denying that she slept with Trump, gold diggers are not women who try and get rich by NOT sleeping with rich men 😉 “Lying” was the operative word to the MAGA idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/56 "2025-11-04T04:18:00Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > But Trump consistently denied the Stormy “affair And how many years ago was that? At the time, even Trump thought it could hurt him, as that was the conventional wisdom for many, many years. But Trump himself proved that stuff like that no longer matters. At worst, people either don’t believe it, or don’t care about it. At best, some of them actually celebrate it, because they wish they could do stuff like that as well. “You banged a porn star? High Five!” ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/57 "2025-11-04T05:15:32Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > IMO this is 2015 thinking. The last decade of American politics has shown conclusively that American Republican voters do not actually give a crap about the morals of their politicians (along with so much else they allegedly cared so much about, like the constitution, individual rights, etc. etc j Exactly. Thirty years ago, having an affair and dumping his wife might have hurt him with the “family values” crowd. These days, I doubt most of those folks would give a shit, so long, of course, as the offending politician had an (R) next to his name and was spouting the proper talking points. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/58 "2025-11-04T06:19:27Z")
Oops, I meant to say 230kg. (I don’t think he weighs quite THAT much, but you know what I mean. Say, how tall is Nora O’Donnell, anyway?) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/59 "2025-11-04T06:21:26Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Has any cult ever survived the loss of its leader? Arguably, the North Korean regime is something of an edge case bordering on an exception. They managed to successfully transfer the cult’s identity from Kim Il-Sung individually to the Kim family more generally — at least the individual Kim family members who are raised to the status of supreme leader (less-favored Kims can of course still be **[disposed of](https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/story-behind-kim-jonguns-coldblooded-family-executions/news-story/fb4ebf81a246e5b20e790927702e5d64)**). This is certainly an outlier without much modern precedent, but it does happen. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/60 "2025-11-04T09:40:36Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Say, how tall is Nora O’Donnell, anyway?) She’s 5’7", has three kids and is very happily married. But let’s keep this about Rump ( who is better than a cold shower anyway). 😄 [![](https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/hero_image __large__ computer__alt/public/2020/01/chet-in-weird-science.jpg) ](https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/hero_image__large __computer__ alt/public/2020/01/chet-in-weird-science.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527.md?page=4)