# JD Vance, Usha Vance, and Erika Kirk **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2025, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527 "2025-11-03T11:32:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/121 "2025-11-22T01:29:14Z")
Thats fair and rational, and gives more effort than my assessment. I still struggle to think a decent person could attach themselves to such awfulness. But, my own evangelical sister, who I know to be a kind and good person despite her religion’s culture, married (and eventually left, thankfully) the most foul and evil man I have ever met. I guess we will wait and see what she does. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/122 "2025-11-22T01:35:45Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > My guess is that both she and her parents regret that she’s tied to the MAGA movement. Which would make her complicity, from the start, evil. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/123 "2025-11-22T01:50:44Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > She cannot be sacrificed without the ring! Is that why JD has been carrying a can of red paint with him? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/124 "2025-11-22T02:26:01Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > > [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > > > She cannot be sacrificed without the ring! > > Is that why JD has been carrying a can of red paint with him SDMB: people of culture. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/125 "2025-11-22T02:45:24Z")
“Help! I need somebody” ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/126 "2025-11-22T03:37:36Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > she was clearly the more accomplished person has publicly stated that his wife is “brilliant” and “way more accomplished than I am” Vance has stated that she is “brilliant” and “way more accomplished than I am”. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/127 "2025-11-22T03:43:12Z")
I think you bungled the quote there. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/128 "2025-11-22T04:24:17Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > My guess is that both she and her parents regret that she’s tied to the MAGA movement. No, there was a lot of reporting from when JD became the VP pick from people who knew the couple closely before they made their rightward shift. They all said that she was the ambitious one and she picked him as a project because she saw that he had a narrative that would be appealing to Middle America and she was the one who convinced him to write Hillbilly Elegy. Don’t forget, she clerked for Roberts and Kavanaugh, and friends reported the couple were openly pro-Trans within their close circle when it was convenient to be and then publically anti-Trans when it became convenient. It’s clear that Usha Vance in particular has no ideology beyond power and I feel zero sympathy for anyone who knowingly enters into that battle arena. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/129 "2025-11-22T04:42:22Z")
Thanks. I had _no_ idea that she was that predatory though it makes sense. In hearing him deliver speeches, he seemed completely lacking in charisma or drive. I find it hard to believe he could lead the ticket in 2028. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/130 "2025-11-22T05:06:36Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I find it hard to believe he could lead the ticket in 2028. JD Vance: The blank slate MAGA can project their hopes onto. Remember being a kid and turning an empty box into anything you wanted it to be? ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/131 "2025-11-22T10:14:06Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think you bungled the quote there. Are you talking about my post? Why do you think that I bungled the quote? I don’t know what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/132 "2025-11-22T10:22:20Z")
> [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > Are you talking about my post? Why do you think that I bungled the quote? I don’t know what you’re talking about Here was Dewey’s entire post: > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > My impression is at the time they were at law school, she was clearly the more accomplished person; Yale undergraduate, master’s at Cambridge and a teaching fellowship in China. And here is what you posted as a quote: > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > she was clearly the more accomplished person has publicly stated that his wife is “brilliant” and “way more accomplished than I am” Do you see where you bungled the quote? ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/133 "2025-11-22T11:09:11Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Do you see where you bungled the quote? No, I don’t. I wasn’t quoting the same thing as Dewey\_Finn. I was quoting another statement by Vance. He has made approximately the statement about his wife several times. They are slightly different each time. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/134 "2025-11-22T11:13:12Z")
Here, in bold, is exactly what you quoted Dewey\_Finn as posting: **she was clearly the more accomplished person has publicly stated that his wife is “brilliant” and “way more accomplished than I am”** When, in fact, he did not post those words. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/135 "2025-11-22T15:14:09Z")
Railer is trying to tell you that you double-posted your own part, once after Dewey’s quote **and once inside the quote from Dewey** ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/136 "2025-11-22T15:40:24Z")
O.K., I messed this up. Dewey\_Finn said that “she was clearly the more accomplished. “ I meant to write that Vance said that “his wife is ‘brilliant’ and ‘way more accomplished than I am’. Is this right now? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/137 "2025-11-22T18:47:20Z")
Honestly, I’m surprised you didn’t see the problem when I first mentioned it. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/138 "2025-11-22T18:47:48Z")
I wonder to what extent she was unaware of the Stygian depths of his assholishness before they were married. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/139 "2025-11-22T19:42:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Honestly, I’m surprised you didn’t see the problem when I first mentioned it. Also, screwing up a quote like that is technically (AFAIK) misquoting another poster, and you have to be very careful about that, because you can be noted and warned for such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527/140 "2025-11-23T13:27:58Z")
Maybe he wasn’t as much of an asshole when he was writing that book and calling Trump “America’s Hitler”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-usha-vance-and-erika-kirk/1024527.md?page=8)