# "JEALOUSY \>\>\>MATE BONDING"---myth? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 10, 2001, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635 "2001-09-10T06:35:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jesse\_morrison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bcef8e/32.png) [@jesse\_morrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jesse_morrison)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/1 "2001-09-10T06:35:55Z")
David Buss (book—“Jealousy, the Dangerous Passion”) has presented a theory that the emotion of sexual jealousy is an evolved trait inwhich “Mate Bonding” is the adaption. I disagree with his theory. My theory for the emotion of sexual jealousy: The Good Lord created a lot of “Adams” and found them to be of a non-competative nature and rather dull. Added to this was her need to continuously replenish the Adams, or to raise them from the dead. Both of which proved to be labor intensive. The Good Lord observed the competative nature of the males in sexually reproducing animals, along with their vitality, finding these things to be interesting. Thru Transgenic engineering and slight of hand, the Good Lord created the Human Female, thus creating a new human species. Although the Human Males had discovered things to compete over such as bananas, sports trophies, and discussion group hierarchies, nothing compared to the Endorphin Rush that they experienced from out maneuvering their competitors, and thereby winning the sexual favors of the newly created Human Females. Although the Human Male has never desired to permanently bond with a particular Human Female, he does desire to compete for the sexual favors of as many Human Females as he is capable of. Unfortunately for the Human Male this creates a zero-sum condition, and thereby has necessitated the evolution of the emotion jealousy, in order for the Human Females to distinguish between Human Male Losers, and Human Male Winners. Fortunately for the Human Females, Human Male jealousy can be used as a “negative fitness indicator” when she is scouting for superior genes for her offspring, and thereby rejecting Human Males with a high degree of sexual jealousy. Speculation for the future: With the advent of genetically altered phallic fruits and vegetables and non mythical parthenogenesis, the Human Male will become extinct along with the painful Human Male emotion of sexual jealousy. At that time the Good Lord will reveal herself, the Human Females will maintain their God like nature, and will rule the earth with peace and tranquility. jesse ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/2 "2001-09-10T08:26:05Z")
**jesse morrison** : > [@](#): > > Although the Human Male has never desired to permanently > bond with a particular Human Female, I beg to differ. ---
**Author:** ![Chez\_Guevara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@Chez\_Guevara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chez_Guevara)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/3 "2001-09-10T10:33:22Z")
This theory is a serious proposition. However, **jesse morrison** ’s speculation for the future is unlikely in the context of currently available scientific data. As all geneticists know, the advent of non mythical parthenogenesis is inevitable, given that post-genetic theory already acknowledges this inevitability as a scientific fact. The problems will arise in breeding out the inherent sexual jealousy which exists in vegetables such as _Cucumis sativus_, and others which are phallic in the sense of _true phallic_ rather than the alternative. _Cucumis sativus_ has become self aware of its primary function, and entering the Human digestive system via the esophageal canal is but a distant memory. The collective cucumberial wish to serve a Human Female has itself generated a competitive urge, which has split _Cucumis sativus_ down the middle. Sexual jealousy in this group is now the rule rather than the exception. Therefore **jesse morrison** ’s speculation, if one is to attach any credibility to it, merely exchanges one problem for another, more serious one. Somehow I do not think that a world exclusively populated by Human Females, God-like nature or not, will enjoy much peace and tranquility when they are constantly being stalked by hordes of jealous cucumbers. Therefore the Human Male will be saved, because who else is going to destroy the _Cucumus sativus_ before it takes complete control of the entire known universe, which is expanding all the time into areas we can only dream about from our humble position on this planet we call Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Acco40](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Acco40](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acco40)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/4 "2001-09-10T16:54:52Z")
Was that meant as a poem? [i.e. use the text-wrap] There is a lot going on here. Let’s start from the top. Assuming God exists, and God is female, and that men don’t prefer to “settle” for any one female (wow), why would preference for mating with soley one female make for a “human male loser”? I would think that to mate with one female and care for the child considerably would be more productive than fathering many children whom you are unable to provide for. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/5 "2001-09-10T18:51:09Z")
jesse morrison wrote: > [@](#): > > With the advent of genetically altered phallic fruits and > vegetables and non mythical parthenogenesis, the Human > Male will become extinct along with the painful Human > Male emotion of sexual jealousy. Um … okaaaaaaaay… \ ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/6 "2001-09-10T19:05:12Z")
I only have a pickle. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/7 "2001-09-10T19:08:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jesse morrison \* > Although the Human Male has never desired to permanently > bond with a particular Human Female, he does desire to > compete for the sexual favors of as many Human Females > as he is capable of. > > \ > > At that time the Good Lord will reveal herself, the Human > Females will maintain their God like nature, and will > rule the earth with peace and tranquility. > > jesse boyfriend troubles, jess? ---
**Author:** ![seawitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@seawitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seawitch)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/8 "2001-09-10T19:28:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > \*\*I only have a pickle. > ☹ \*\* Don’t be blue. With all your other talents, you’ve got mutton to worry about. [sub]Thank you! I’ll be here all week![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f19dbf/32.png) [@dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dude)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/9 "2001-09-10T20:37:39Z")
What exactly prompted the post ? ---
**Author:** ![jesse\_morrison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bcef8e/32.png) [@jesse\_morrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jesse_morrison)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2001, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/10 "2001-09-11T01:29:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dude \* > \*\*What exactly prompted the post ? \*\* Hi Dude, After reading David Buss’s book for the third time, I felt his theory was in error. To prove this to myself, I became my own subject in a social/psychology experiment while I was living in Santa Fe, and Albuquerque. If you are interested in this experiment, you can find it on kinfonet. Use google search engine, type in kinfonet, click on discussions on the kinfonet home page, then click on english discussion group, then type in albuquerque as keyword, then click on 2. and that will bring you to the experiment. Thanks for your interest. jesse (male) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2001, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/11 "2001-09-11T01:36:12Z")
Huh? Am I going Anne Heche, or does this not make a lick of sense? ---
**Author:** ![jesse\_morrison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bcef8e/32.png) [@jesse\_morrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jesse_morrison)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2001, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/12 "2001-09-11T06:43:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*Huh? Am I going Anne Heche, or does this not make a lick of sense? \*\* Hi Guinastasia, I will chose three emotions (envy, jealousy, and shame) give me your “proximate explanation” (how) and your “ultimate explanation” (why) these three emotions exist. My theory is that they exist for the purpose of sexual selection (Darwins other theory) as “negative fitness indicators”. If a female perceives these emotions in a male (gene donor), then she “should” reject this male, and continue screening for a male that expresses the emotion of “joy” (positive fitness indicator). Paternity DNA research estimates a range of 2% to 30% of “supposed” fathers are not the genetic fathers. This range correlates with the socio-economic status of the “bonded” couple. I will leave it up to you to guess which socio-economic group of bonded females does the most “cheating”, and why. If you would like for me to be even more blatant, then ask me about my “Eugenics Conspiracy Theory”. jesse (male) p.s. Watch for my forthcoming book “Expressing Joy When Depressed” ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2001, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jealousy-mate-bonding-myth/80635/13 "2001-09-11T06:56:26Z")
Wow, try reading that and imagine “Steve Erkel”. 😃