# Jeb Bush - I have a hard time believing that you're actually a human being. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2004, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266 "2004-04-10T02:34:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/21 "2004-04-10T11:05:52Z")
You know, when I’ve gotten fed up with hard-core pro-life rhetoric, I’ve been known to say, “That’s right – don’t kill babies; kill women instead.” (If it will soften things at all, please keep in mind that I was in college during the days of Operation Rescue when the rhetoric was particularly nasty.) I try to tell myself I was exaggerating for effect, but then I read something like this and wonder if I was closer to the truth about what some people think than I’d like to be. Hang it, it is my opinion that abortion is always, _always_ morally wrong, and that it does result in the death of a human being! It is also my opinion that sometimes the decision to have an abortion is sometimes the least morally wrong option available, and for that reason it _must_ remain as safe, legal, and rare as we can get it. To me, this case is a prime example of abortion being the least bad alternative in a situation where no good one exists. I’m glad the mother and child both survived. I think I also pray that the child never learns the circumstances of her conception and birth. I suspect she’s up for a harder time of things than most. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/22 "2004-04-10T11:24:29Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > You bet it is! So what’s the everyone bitching about on this thread?😕 > > Excellent!:)🆒 You still remain the symbol of the consummate schmuck that makes me glad I left Milwaukee for a saner place that for a brief window in time, made same sex marriage legal(Corvallis, Oregon). ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/23 "2004-04-10T13:30:05Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > You bet it is! So what’s the everyone bitching about on this thread?😕 > Excellent!:)🆒 So because it happened to have turned out OK, you think Bush’s stance was correct? ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/24 "2004-04-10T13:59:34Z")
pk, you’re an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/25 "2004-04-10T14:06:30Z")
Hail Bush. Hail Ashcroft. The Government Knows What’s Best For You. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/26 "2004-04-10T14:22:53Z")
I’m not that up on Florida statutes, but wouldn’t Bush have been accessory to murder after the fact if he’d kept her from getting the abortion and she’d died? ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/27 "2004-04-10T15:32:18Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > So because it happened to have turned out OK, you think Bush’s stance was correct? Like you said: it turned out ok. So his decision was the right one in my book. Hey, I like Jeb. I’d much rather see him in the White House than W. Instead of jumping all over me (and Bush) why not a thread blasting the piece of human shit that raped this woman?😕 ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/28 "2004-04-10T15:37:36Z")
> [@TwistofFate](#): > > pk, you’re an asshole. Why? Because my political stances are different than yours? Anyone who disagrees with you is an asshole? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/29 "2004-04-10T15:41:18Z")
It turned out o.k.?!? A woman with the mind of a child was raped, then forced to give birth to a baby at extreme risk to both herself and the potential child, just so that Jebby could score political points, and you think everything turned out o.k.? This is the closest I’ve ever come to resigning as a moderator, just so that I could tell you what I really think of your short-sighted and self-serving post. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/30 "2004-04-10T15:58:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It turned out o.k.?!? Well, bad choice of words. You know, I’m making comments about this situation after the fact. The mother lived, the baby lived. Therefore, I do believe it was the best possible outcome for a truely bad situation. If this story were current, and she were still pregnant, I may (or may not) have a different stance. Why are we getting our bowels in an uproar over old news? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/31 "2004-04-10T16:04:34Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Like you said: it turned out ok. So his decision was the right one in my book. That has to be one of the most ignorant, short-sighted things I ever heard. Do you think Jeb Bush has some crystal ball that told him the mother would live? Wrong decisions are still wrong even when random chance prevents them from becoming tragedies. Or in this case, a bigger tragedy. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/32 "2004-04-10T16:05:08Z")
Why the uproar? 1. Because it happened. 2. Because it will happen again. 3. You apparently don’t have a problem with politicians using people like pawns to score political points, as long as it is _your_ pet politician. Clear enough? ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/33 "2004-04-10T16:19:21Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > So his decision was the right one in my book. I’ll just repeat the quote from the judge again > [@](#): > > “We find no Florida statute or case law that has determined a foetus to be a person Rather, the opposite is true.” He fucked this woman over. He did so with complete disregard for the law. You think this qualifies him to be president? :mad: ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/34 "2004-04-10T16:22:15Z")
What is Jebs approval rating in Florida right now? I’m just currious. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/35 "2004-04-10T16:24:15Z")
What is Jebs approval rating in Florida right now? I’m just **curious**. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/36 "2004-04-10T16:25:11Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > What is Jebs approval rating in Florida right now? > I’m just currious. If you’re trying to make some sort of political “popular might makes right” statement, I don’t think anyone here is going to buy it. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/37 "2004-04-10T16:37:25Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If you’re trying to make some sort of political “popular might makes right” statement, I don’t think anyone here is going to buy it. I don’t care what they buy. I don’t have to justify my beliefs of political stances. What I _do_ want to know is if I’m the only person who’s not riled up over him. [http://www.wesh.com/news/2985093/detail.html](http://www.wesh.com/news/2985093/detail.html) Says he’s at 54 percent. Which isn’t great, but it’s enough to get re-elected. So _somebody_ besides me supports him. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/38 "2004-04-10T16:54:33Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > So _somebody_ besides me supports him. Which, particularly as a woman, is really, really, _really_ fucking frightening. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/39 "2004-04-10T17:03:31Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Which, particularly as a woman, is really, really, _really_ fucking frightening. I’ll bet that up to half of those that support him _are_ women. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266/40 "2004-04-10T17:23:45Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > I’ll bet that up to half of those [who] support him _are_ women. So? I wasn’t answering on behalf of _all_ women, I was giving _my_ opinion, _as a woman_. Besides which, especially if your assumption is right (although you’ve provided no evidence to support it) that only makes it even _more_ frightening, _in my opinion_, _as a woman_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-i-have-a-hard-time-believing-that-youre-actually-a-human-being/239266.md?page=3)