# Jeb Bush marked 'Hispanic' on Fla. voter registration form **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 6, 2015, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956 "2015-04-06T14:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/21 "2015-04-06T19:42:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > She never said there was any documentation, only that it was family lore and that she does have high cheekbones. Many people, especially in Oklahoma, have Indian ancestry but are not registered tribal members. > > IOW Warren was not lying and Bush checked the wrong box. But we know what the reaction would be if the parties were reversed, don’t we? If HRC had claimed to be Hispanic, the guffaws on Fox would continue right up until the election. Well, Jeb Bush does speak fluent Spanish and has a Mexican wife as well as Hispanic Children, so personally I’d say his mistake can be laughed off more easily in this case…especially since it buys him nothing to have done this deliberately. I certainly can’t think of a reason why he would do something like this that would be some sort of political calculation on his part. As someone who has my wife fill out most of my paperwork and someone who has randomly checked nearly every box (or scratched them out and put Human) on the silly race check boxes I can relate to either or to simply checking the wrong one. Like I said, there are lots of other things to dislike about Bush or not vote for him (didn’t he recently put his foot in his mouth over the religious tolerance thingy that’s a backdoor way to discriminate against gays? Or am I thinking of someone else?). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/22 "2015-04-06T19:43:13Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > She never said there was any documentation, Nor did I claim she did. > [@](#): > > only that it was family lore and that she does have high cheekbones. No, she doesn’t. She said her grandmother did. > [@](#): > > Many people, especially in Oklahoma, have Indian ancestry but are not registered tribal members. That is a true statement. > [@](#): > > IOW Warren was not lying and Bush checked the wrong box. But we know what the reaction would be if the parties were reversed, don’t we? If HRC had claimed to be Hispanic, the guffaws on Fox would continue right up until the election. I never said she was lying, and I have no idea what Fox would do if HRC had checked the wrong box on a voter registration card. Besides, that is not what was being claimed here. What was being claimed is that the two actions (By Bush and Warren) were if not the same, very similar. They are not. Do you think they are? ---
**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/23 "2015-04-06T19:43:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Indeed. When EW was challenged on the authenticity of her claims about Indian heritage, she doubled down. Now, I think it’s a mountain out of a molehill, but it’s silly to claim that Bush’s act is the same as Warren’s. Warren to this day will claim Indian heritage even though there is no documented proof of that heritage and even though she is not a registered member of a tribe. There are thousands of people who claim some Indian ancestry with no more “proof” than grandpa said his grandpa married an Indian. Remember such things might well have been tried to keep hidden 100 or more years ago. This seems particularly relevant in Warren’s case as some relatives were apparently upset about the same family lore. There are thousands of people who have Indian Ancestry who cannot be registered tribal members. Many tribes require you to be at least 1/8 or even 1/4 descended from a tribal member to register. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/24 "2015-04-06T19:44:45Z")
> [@OldGuy](#): > > There are thousands of people who claim some Indian ancestry with no more “proof” than grandpa said his grandpa married an Indian. Remember such things might well have been tried to keep hidden 100 or more years ago. There are thousands of people who have Indian Ancestry who cannot be registered tribal members. Many tribes require you to be at least 1/8 or even 1/4 descended from a tribal member to register. I would not disagree with any of that. But that still does not make the two incidents the same, or even similar. I was explaining why they were different. Do you disagree with any of that in terms of why they are different? IOW, please read post #11. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/25 "2015-04-06T19:46:11Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > There are lots of white Hispanics who would legitimately check that (like Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz, in fact), so why would he be the only one? > > If it was indeed deliberate, it could have been a way to find out what kind of campaign messages “Hispanics” were receiving. How you check those boxes determines who calls you and what flyers you get in the mail. He’s married to a hispanic woman, so I imagine he gets those fliers regardless. But in anycase, I can’t imagine Jeb takes it upon himself to personally monitor campaign literature for one ethnicity in a not very important primary state. I’m sure his campaign organization has people who do that in some sort of much more systematic fashion. He just checked the wrong box. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/26 "2015-04-06T19:49:07Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Nor did I claim she did. Then your words “doubled down” and “will claim to this day” were not well chosen, given their insinuating connotations. > [@](#): > > No, she doesn’t. Yes, she does, and said so in a debate with Brown, perhaps the one where he accused her of lying (“Clearly she isn’t”). > [@](#): > > I have no idea what Fox would do if HRC had checked the wrong box on a voter registration card. Of course you do. > [@](#): > > What was being claimed is that the two actions (By Bush and Warren) were if not the same, very similar. They are not. Do you think they are? Bush’s statement, although certainly inadvertent, was false. Warren’s was true as far as anyone, including her, can ever know, and given her origins is probably true. False and true are \*not \*similar. ---
**Author:** ![Nicest\_of\_the\_Damned](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8baadc/32.png) [@Nicest\_of\_the\_Damned](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nicest_of_the_Damned)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/27 "2015-04-06T19:58:59Z")
Warren has not made the claim in any kind of official capacity or tried to get any of the benefits associated with being a Native American, as far as I know. She used it as “about me” info in a professional listing. Bush made his claim on a sworn government document. I’d say that’s worse. But really, they are both stupid, nothing stories. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/28 "2015-04-06T20:00:58Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Then your words “doubled down” and “will claim to this day” were not well chosen, given their insinuating connotations. Alternatively, you could not read things into my posts that I don’t write. > [@](#): > > Yes, she does, and said so in a debate with Brown, perhaps the one where he accused her of lying (“Clearly she isn’t”). Got a cite for that? I’ve seen claims that her grandmother or grandfather (or both) supposedly had high cheekbones, but never her. > [@](#): > > Of course you do. I’ll let you know when I think you can read my mind. > [@](#): > > Bush’s statement, although certainly inadvertent, was false. Warren’s was true as far as anyone, including her, can ever know, and given her origins is probably true. False and true are \*not \*similar. Well, then we are in agreement! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/29 "2015-04-06T20:08:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Alternatively, you could not read things into my posts that I don’t write. Dude. :dubious: > [@](#): > > Got a cite for that? I’ve seen claims that her grandmother or grandfather (or both) supposedly had high cheekbones, but never her. [Here you go.](https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1162&bih=687&q=elizabeth+warren&oq=elizabeth+warren&gs_l=img.3..0l10.1373.4132.0.4423.16.8.0.8.8.0.127.959.0j8.8.0.msedr...0...1ac.1.64.img..0.16.996.2TEGWY0grO4) > [@](#): > > I’ll let you know when I think you can read my mind. You must actually enjoy getting your bullshit called to keep on trying it so often. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/30 "2015-04-06T20:13:32Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] You must actually enjoy getting your bullshit called to keep on trying it so often. [/QUOTE] Sez the guy who just posted a link to Google pictures of Warren to ‘prove’ she has high cheek bones. 😛 Gods, that’s really off the scale. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/31 "2015-04-06T20:13:47Z")
> [@Nicest\_of\_the\_Damned](#): > > Warren has not made the claim in any kind of official capacity or tried to get any of the benefits associated with being a Native American, as far as I know. She used it as “about me” info in a professional listing. Bush made his claim on a sworn government document. I’d say that’s worse. > > But really, they are both stupid, nothing stories. Warren suffers from the insinuation that she did try and gain advantage because someone on the Harvard Administration touted their diversity by using her Native American ancestry as an example. AFAIK, she was never an affirmative action candidate, and if you look at her record you can see that she wouldn’t need it anyway. Scott Brown rather shamelessly tried to make a big deal about this, but the fact is she does claim to be Native American based solely on family lore. If she were just some generic white person, family lore would most likely be wrong. Being from OK, it’s much more likely to be true. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/32 "2015-04-06T20:17:26Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [Here you go.](https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1162&bih=687&q=elizabeth+warren&oq=elizabeth+warren&gs_l=img.3..0l10.1373.4132.0.4423.16.8.0.8.8.0.127.959.0j8.8.0.msedr...0...1ac.1.64.img..0.16.996.2TEGWY0grO4) That’s not a cite that she claimed in the debates to have high cheekbones. And those pictures don’t show it, either. She just looks like a grandmotherly white lady. Sort of like [this woman.](https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1162&bih=687&q=elizabeth+warren&oq=elizabeth+warren&gs_l=img.3..0l10.1373.4132.0.4423.16.8.0.8.8.0.127.959.0j8.8.0.msedr...0...1ac.1.64.img..0.16.996.2TEGWY0grO4#hl=en&tbm=isch&q=hillary+clinton) ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/33 "2015-04-06T20:22:38Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > There are lots of white Hispanics who would legitimately check that (like Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz, in fact), so why would he be the only one? True. I dated a Cuban guy who looked stereotypically black Irish, complete with sun-defying milky-white skin. However, I still am pretty sure that Jeb is about as Hispanic as my cat. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/34 "2015-04-06T20:24:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That’s not a cite that she claimed in the debates to have high cheekbones. And those pictures don’t show it, either. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/35 "2015-04-06T20:26:16Z")
See, thing is about the Cherokee was that they were intermarrying with white people almost from the git-go. Like a number of American Indian tribes, they accepted someone as Cherokee on a voluntary basis. The tribal leaders were often half or one quarter Cherokee, but nobody cared enough to make a big deal of it. So, when those people intermarried, the common formula for ethnic derivation became meaningless. If your family was in Oklahoma or Texas from any time in the 1800’s, it is pretty likely you have some Cherokee blood. Scot/Irish and Cherokee mixture is very common in Texas, as well as being widely admired and envied by the less fortunate. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/36 "2015-04-06T20:33:04Z")
But there’s no way Jeb can pass for Mexican himself. He’ll have to bring the adoring wife and “little brown ones”, as Poppy Bush called them, everywhere he goes in search of the elusive Hispanic Republican vote. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/37 "2015-04-06T20:33:57Z")
It’s got traction because if Mr OBama had made such an error, people’s head would explode. And that’s fun to think about!😃 ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/38 "2015-04-06T20:37:49Z")
More than a decade ago when applying for a new SS card in TX I left the race or ethnicity section blank cuz you know man like it ain’t real. When I got the form back someone had checked the Hispanic box in different ink. I used to joke the government has decided. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/39 "2015-04-07T02:26:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > See, thing is about the Cherokee was that they were intermarrying with white people almost from the git-go. Like a number of American Indian tribes, they accepted someone as Cherokee on a voluntary basis. The tribal leaders were often half or one quarter Cherokee, but nobody cared enough to make a big deal of it. So, when those people intermarried, the common formula for ethnic derivation became meaningless. > > If your family was in Oklahoma or Texas from any time in the 1800’s, it is pretty likely you have some Cherokee blood. Scot/Irish and Cherokee mixture is very common in Texas, as well as being widely admired and envied by the less fortunate. That’s all fine and good, but the reason this has any traction at all is not that EW claims to have some Native American heritage, but that she claims to be Native American. That stretches credulity. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2015, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956/40 "2015-04-07T03:58:56Z")
And President Obama is commonly referred to as being “black”. Whatever the hell that means. So, by what means do you propose to authenticate her self-identification? DNA analysis? In your estimation, what it is approximate ratio one needs to be, say, Italian? Rather than having “some Italian heritage”? At what point does credulity get stretched? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-marked-hispanic-on-fla-voter-registration-form/716956.md?page=3)