# Jeb Bush & the political dynasty issue **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2015, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334 "2015-01-20T00:58:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/41 "2015-01-22T18:16:11Z")
I find it annoying that interesting political topics inevitably get hijacked into “Republicans are like this …” and “Democrats are like that …”. It makes this forum little better than YouTube commentary. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/42 "2015-01-22T18:18:19Z")
[Today](http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/22/politics/bush-romney-meeting/) is the republican primary. Once it’s decided which candidate will run (Bush), all the money will be behind him. By the time he rolls out of New Hampshire, the little guys will be crushed. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/43 "2015-01-22T18:58:18Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Your “control of Congress” (lacking a veto-proof majority) is due more to voter apathy (2014 had the worst turnout in 70 years) and gerrymandering than anything approaching political brilliance or ideological purity. Gerrymandering you say? How does one gerrymander the Senate? As for the House, for every time someone whines about Texas, I’ll see you a Maryland, and raise you an Illinois. ETA: And a Massachusetts, where they change the rules back and forth every time a Senate seat opens. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/44 "2015-01-22T19:10:54Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I find it annoying that interesting political topics inevitably get hijacked into “Republicans are like this …” and “Democrats are like that …”. It makes this forum little better than YouTube commentary. Facts don’t worry about being on anyone’s “side”. If Republicans are, for example, hostile to women’s equality, minority rights, the poor, taxes for the rich, then it doesn’t make it equally erroneous if some conservative calls Democrats weak on defense. One side’s right, one side’s wrong ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/45 "2015-01-22T19:18:08Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Facts don’t worry about being on anyone’s “side”. If Republicans are, for example, hostile to women’s equality, minority rights, the poor, taxes for the rich, then it doesn’t make it equally erroneous if some conservative calls Democrats weak on defense. One side’s right, one side’s wrong Right, wrong, it doesn’t matter, it’s off topic. Not every political thread needs to devolve into being about how bad the other party is. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/46 "2015-01-22T19:29:57Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > [Today](http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/22/politics/bush-romney-meeting/) is the republican primary. > > Once it’s decided which candidate will run (Bush) . . . Well, that all depends on who wins the rock-paper-scissors match. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/47 "2015-01-22T19:44:33Z")
The Two Titans are meeting as we post: [Romney, Bush to meet amid presidential bid chatter](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/22/romney-bush-reportedly-to-meet-amid-presidential-bid-chatter/). > [@](#): > > Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney plan to meet in Utah as early as Thursday, as both men consider launching a Republican presidential run. > > Whether the meeting, first reported by The New York Times, will be a symbolic gesture – or a chance for the heavyweight Republican figures to try and avoid a bitter clash on the campaign trail – remains to be seen. > … > According to The Times, Bush, the former governor of Florida, asked for the meeting, with the intention of showing respect for the party’s 2012 nominee. They kept the appointment even after Romney began openly flirting with a third presidential run. The former Massachusetts governor also spoke before a Republican National Committee summit last week. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/48 "2015-01-22T19:47:44Z")
They should just play rock-paper-scissors to see which one runs. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/49 "2015-01-22T19:50:51Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > What do you call minorities who are paid to say racist things against their own group that the people holding the purse strings can’t say openly? Democrats. Regards, SHodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/50 "2015-01-22T19:52:06Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Democrats. > > Regards, > SHodan Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Octarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/22d042/32.png) [@Octarine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octarine)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/51 "2015-01-22T19:53:36Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Well, that all depends on who wins the rock-paper-scissors match. It was a great game. Bush and Romney both pulled scissors simultaneously _three times_. Then Mitt tried the old “best out of three” trick. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/52 "2015-01-22T20:05:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Democrats. > > Regards, > SHodan And, they say what racist things against their own group? You cannot possibly be thinking in [these terms](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racism_is_a_codeword_for_anti-white), of course. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/53 "2015-01-22T20:27:10Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Yup, that’s killing us, all right. No wonder we don’t control Congress The future isn’t here quite yet. But you’re rearranging the deck chairs on a boat that’s sinking. > [@Shodan](#): > > why Carson and Jindal are never even considered for the nomination. Wow, how enlightened. You’re willing to “consider” nominating a person who isn’t a white man. Is that on the agenda? Noon - Republican Party leaders will gather to choose nominee. 1 PM - Republican Party leaders will consider various candidates who are not white men. 2 PM - Republican Party leaders will nominate a white man. 3 PM - Republican Party leaders will draft a memo telling other groups they should feel honored that they were given a whole hour of consideration. 4 PM - Republican Party leaders will wonder why members of other groups aren’t flocking to the banner. 5 PM - Republican Party leaders ask what it is these other groups wants? 6 PM - Republican Party leaders resolve to find somebody who isn’t a white man and ask them what the problem is. 7 PM - Republican Party leader meeting adjourns. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/54 "2015-01-22T20:32:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Carson and Jindal are not really considered for the nomination. I should **hope** not! They’re both nutcases! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/55 "2015-01-22T20:52:14Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The future isn’t here quite yet. But you’re rearranging the deck chairs on a boat that’s sinking. Trouble is, to hear you folks the boat has been sinking for the last twenty years or so. Sort of like the classic explanation of the failures of the Soviet grain harvests - 70 consecutive years of bad weather. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/56 "2015-01-22T21:21:26Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And, they say what racist things against their own group? > > You cannot possibly be thinking in [these terms](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racism_is_a_codeword_for_anti-white), of course. I repeat. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/57 "2015-01-22T21:30:10Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Trouble is, to hear you folks the boat has been sinking for the last twenty years or so. Look at the Tea Party. Notice how **old** they are? What they’re doing is fighting a desperate rearguard action – trying to delay loss of ground that inevitably will be lost eventually. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/58 "2015-01-23T17:41:58Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Right, wrong, it doesn’t matter, it’s off topic. Not every political thread needs to devolve into being about how bad the other party is. Fair enough, sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/59 "2015-01-24T19:36:42Z")
> [@CGav8r](#): > > Odd that no one mentions age when discussing Romney, despite him having almost a year on Hillary. Eh, I it’s been mentioned. It’s just kind of moot. Mitt already tried and failed, and his greatest stumbling blocks (tax cheat, bloody-minded financier who bought up companies to loot them, and being in those weird “Latter-Day Saints”) aren’t going away or becoming less of a handicap. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334/60 "2015-01-24T20:22:14Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Jeb Bush is probably the only Republican who’s hoping Hillary Clinton will run. If she’s his opponent, it neutralizes a good amount of the “dynasty” issue. It’ll still be there - the legacy of the last Bush administration is a lot worse than the legacy of the last Clinton administration. But at least with another Clinton running, the Democrats won’t be able to beat the dynasty drum as loudly. Eh. i think any Republican has reason to welcome a Clinton nomination. Jeb for the reason you mentioned, sure. But any nominee who has skunked Jeb (as will likely happen) can say the GOP has moved past dynasticism while the Dems are still stuck in the last century. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-bush-the-political-dynasty-issue/710334.md?page=4)