# Jeb requests DA probe of M. Schiavo **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2005, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838 "2005-06-25T21:47:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/61 "2005-06-28T00:27:29Z")
Isn’t it a damned shame that neither of the Brothers Bush ever took this much of an interest in re-investigating a Death Row prisoner’s case? ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/62 "2005-06-28T00:29:20Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > \*\*This Year’s Model \*\* linked the thread you refer to. Just slow down, sound out the words if they are too big, and your error rate will go way down. > > I could have done a better job searching. I apologized for not doing so. You have gone from claming I did not apologize to claiming my apology was false. You have made two errors in basic reading comprehension. Since you are tired of the topic anyway, why don’t you just piss off? Holy dogshit, you’re correct! My error in missing the space between “the” and “boards” is garganutan when compared to your expert search skills which rank just below _‘couldn’t find pussy in a whorehouse.’_ You’re also correct about my charge of being disingenuous, in that a plan and intelligence are key factors for smooth execution. I’ll respectfully withdraw that, as you have offered convincing evidence to contradict that allegation. Why don’t you bend over and kiss my ass, and I’ll sound out something for you. To **This Year’s Model** : you are correct that everyone has a right to start a thread, but having a right doesn’t make the use of it prudent or reasonable. We all have rights which we do not exercise on a daily basis because better judgement holds sway. Furthermore, I’m not interested in defending Jeb Bush-his inquiry and prior intervention is stupid and without basis, but he’s been whacked over this time and again. No benefit is served by repeat inquisitions into topics already pronounced dead. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/63 "2005-06-28T02:15:00Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > No benefit is served by repeat inquisitions into topics already pronounced dead. Just because you have pronounced the topic dead doesn’t mean the rest of us have to consider it so. As far as I am concerned, Jeb needs to continue to be whacked over this one as long as he’s still whacking at Michael. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/64 "2005-06-28T02:36:23Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > . No benefit is served by repeat inquisitions into topics already pronounced dead. Holy shit! Did Jeb get the coroner’s report? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/65 "2005-06-28T02:37:52Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > Same reason we ask newbies to look thru GQ for previous similar threads before posting their question? Ah, you mistake me, sir. I’m not talking about making an OP; of course I would search before doing that. I’m talking about me, not having surfer the board actively in months, opening the Pit and seeing this thread on Page 1. I just posted to it. I don’t think I should have to search the whole forum to see if there’s another post about it from last week. > [@](#): > > And in the case of a dormant member returning, the request should be even more adamant; paying members can use the search function, new sign-ups can’t. So you’re telling me before posting to a thread, you do a search, every time, so that you don’t post to a redundant thread? If so, you have a lot more free time than I do, but good for you for being so diligent about avoiding the slightest chance we might repeat ourselves. This is a lot of hue and cry about having 2 threads on the same topic open within a week of each other. Are you sure it’s not just that you’re tired of the constant harping about Bush’s fuck ups? Well, now you know how the Democrats felt during the second Clinton term. Annoying, ain’t it? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pythian\_Habenero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a6a055/32.png) [@Pythian\_Habenero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pythian_Habenero)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/66 "2005-06-28T02:42:00Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > [Words fail me.](http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/schiavo.governor.ap/index.html) > [@Contrapuntal](#): > > You shit for brains worthless sack of goat turds. You sanctimonious son of a whore. You have sold your ass so many times to so many glad handers and bag men you have no fucking idea who owns it. After 15 years this is an issue? Is there any chance that the autopsy proved you and your ilk dead wrong and you are trying to save face? Is the job of governing 17 million citizens so simple that you have time to persecute individuals? > > I fear for the life of my country when jacklegs such as you ascend to power. Am I the only one who sees the inherent contradiction here?[sup]\*[/sup] 😛 [sub]\*This comment is intended as both complimentary[sup]\*\*[/sup] and humorous. Readers who take issue with either concept may immerse themselves in seventeen-year-old cheesecake at leisure.[/sub] [sub]\*\*In both widely recognised senses of the word. Oooh, linguistic ambiguities just make me tingle.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/67 "2005-06-28T12:07:53Z")
> [@](#): > > So you’re telling me before posting to a thread, you do a search, every time, so that you don’t post to a redundant thread? Don’t be so obtuse; of course not. But I _would_ look around if before I’d start a thread on a **current** political topic. Historically, those (and particularly those involving the Bush patriarchy) have been covered here like buzzards on a gutwagon. > [@](#): > > Are you sure it’s not just that you’re tired of the constant harping about Bush’s fuck ups? Well, now you know how the Democrats felt during the second Clinton term. Annoying, ain’t it? Nope, and nope. I’m not tired of the harping about Bush’s fuck-ups, because in the vast majority of the cases, it is all-too-well deserved. (It now occurs to me that I’m not entirely sure _which_ Bush you ar speaking of, tho’. This thread was ostensibly about Jeb, but it seems to be taking the usual turn towards his dumber brother.) And I don’t know how the Democrats here felt about any “constant harping” during Clinton’s second term simply because this board was extant for naught but the last two years of that term **and** the final of those two the harping was more about the presidential candidiates - Bush & Gore - than about anything Clinton was doing. So, I’d suggest that perhaps your history, and your assessment of my opinion, are in error, and you’ve drawn a couple faulty conclusions from a bad premise. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/68 "2005-06-28T12:12:01Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > Holy dogshit, you’re correct! My error in missing the space between “the” and “boards” is garganutan when compared to your expert search skills which rank just below _‘couldn’t find pussy in a whorehouse.’_ You’re also correct about my charge of being disingenuous, in that a plan and intelligence are key factors for smooth execution. I’ll respectfully withdraw that, as you have offered convincing evidence to contradict that allegation. > > Why don’t you bend over and kiss my ass, and I’ll sound out something for you. No, this is what you missed. You provided a cite \*in addition \* to **TYM’s** cites which was _included_ in said cites. Explanation? You accused me of “soldiering on” when I had made, to that point, only one appearance in the thread. You accused me of not apologizing when, in fact, I had. When called on that, you questioned the authenticity of the apology. It is clear to me and others in this thread that you jumped in with with both tits blazing upon seeing the name Bush in the title with little or no regard for the subsequent content. You have had your say, such as it is, although it does seem to approach the effervescent with each succeeding post. Really, just piss off. You’ll feel better. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/69 "2005-06-28T14:11:17Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > both tits blazing **Band Name!** ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/70 "2005-06-28T15:31:56Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > No, this is what you missed. > > You provided a cite \*in addition \* to **TYM’s** cites which was _included_ in said cites. > Explanation? Let’s add reading comprehension to your list of skills requiring improvement. I already noted that the thread I’d referenced had been cited by **TYM**. > [@](#): > > You accused me of “soldiering on” when I had made, to that point, only one appearance in the thread. Said statement referred to starting another thread when not less than four had addressed the same topic within the preceding two weeks. Can you understand it now, Skippy? > [@](#): > > You accused me of not apologizing when, in fact, I had. You’re right. I was inordinately harsh with you. In the future I will resolve to be more tolerant of those who are still learning how to use search functions and understand multisyllabic words. > [@](#): > > When called on that, you questioned the authenticity of the apology. Correct. Torn between adjudging you lazy or stupid, I’ll check both, now. > [@](#): > > It is clear to me and others in this thread that you jumped in with with both tits blazing upon seeing the name Bush in the title with little or no regard for the subsequent content. You have had your say, such as it is, although it does seem to approach the effervescent with each succeeding post. Really, just piss off. You’ll feel better. Bzzzt. Wrong. Any thread which represents the same old shit, reprised once again was and is the source of my angst. **UncleBeer** has been kind enough to explain the concept in greater detail above, should you desire to avail yourself of the knowledge. Good luck in summer school. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/71 "2005-06-28T15:50:18Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > Let’s add reading comprehension to your list of skills requiring improvement. I already noted that the thread I’d referenced had been cited by **TYM**. You are aware that simply willing your words to rearrange themselves is not enough? Bolding mine. > [@danceswithcats](#): > > \*\*Adding to \*\* the threads referenced by This Year’s Model, **we have this one**. How can it be both added to and already there? > [@danceswithcats](#): > > Said statement referred to starting another thread when not less than four had addressed the same topic within the preceding two weeks. Can you understand it now, Skippy? I understand what you just said. I am less clear on why you think that it explains anything. > [@danceswithcats](#): > > You’re right. I was inordinately harsh with you. In the future I will resolve to be more tolerant of those who are still learning how to use search functions and understand multisyllabic words. Using simple words, as I am but a simple man, please show me where I have complained of your being harsh in reference to your mistake about my apology. This weak attempt at deflection serves you ill, I fear. > [@dwc](#): > > Correct. Torn between adjudging you lazy or stupid, I’ll check both, now. This isn’t going on my permanent record, is it? > [@dwc](#): > > Bzzzt. Wrong. Any thread which represents the same old shit, reprised once again was and is the source of my angst. **UncleBeer** has been kind enough to explain the concept in greater detail above, should you desire to avail yourself of the knowledge. Good luck in summer school. In all seriousness, I hope nothing _really_ bad happens in your life. The angst will be unbearable. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2005, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/72 "2005-06-28T16:15:49Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > Don’t be so obtuse; of course not. But I _would_ look around if before I’d start a thread on a **current** political topic. Historically, those (and particularly those involving the Bush patriarchy) have been covered here like buzzards on a gutwagon. My god, did you not read what I wrote? I said, specificall, that I’d search before posting a new OP on a current topic. However, once one is posted, you can’t blame people for posting to it if it’s on Page 1. Thus, two threads get going at once. If the mods think it’s redundant, they’d close it, no? So maybe relax about it, eh? > [@](#): > > Nope, and nope. I’m not tired of the harping about Bush’s fuck-ups, because in the vast majority of the cases, it is all-too-well deserved. (It now occurs to me that I’m not entirely sure _which_ Bush you ar speaking of, tho’. This thread was ostensibly about Jeb, but it seems to be taking the usual turn towards his dumber brother.) I should have written Bushes’. If that’s indeed how you spell it in the plural. > [@](#): > > And I don’t know how the Democrats here felt about any “constant harping” during Clinton’s second term simply because this board was extant for naught but the last two years of that term **and** the final of those two the harping was more about the presidential candidiates - Bush & Gore - than about anything Clinton was doing. You know, harping does go on in other places besides this board. Also, I’d note that many Republicans I know still bring up the Clinton thing rather often when one of the Bushes is criticized for a lapse in ethics. So, I’d suggest that perhaps your history, and your assessment of my opinion, are in error, and you’ve drawn a couple faulty conclusions from a bad premise. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/73 "2005-07-08T13:13:54Z")
[State attorney says no crime in Schiavo case, ending inquiry](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0507080163jul08,1,2506426.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed). It seems that it’s finally over. Godspeed, Terry. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/74 "2005-07-08T13:47:50Z")
Finally, something to cheer about. Michael Schiavo, you’ve done well by your wife. May you now enjoy the happiness you’ve earned, and may the next 15 years be better than the last. CJ ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/75 "2005-07-08T13:51:32Z")
So, I take it that ol’ Jeb will now publicly apologize to Michael for inflicting this last trip through the wringer on the man? _crickets chirping_ ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/76 "2005-07-08T16:01:16Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > So, I take it that ol’ Jeb will now publicly apologize to Michael for inflicting this last trip through the wringer on the man? > > _crickets chirping_ Thanks, I almost snorted hot coffee out of my nose. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/77 "2005-07-08T16:09:29Z")
Yeah, that one’s over. You want something to get your blood boiling all over again, though? [Take a gander](http://www.theempirejournal.com/070705_schiavo_Blood_Indicates_strangulation.html). That article’s so biased they had to velcro the letters to the page so they wouldn’t slide off… ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/78 "2005-07-08T16:22:08Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Yeah, that one’s over. You want something to get your blood boiling all over again, though? [Take a gander](http://www.theempirejournal.com/070705_schiavo_Blood_Indicates_strangulation.html). > > That article’s so biased they had to velcro the letters to the page so they wouldn’t slide off… Some novel medical ideas in that report…very novel. They might make an interesting novel for the credulous. Just one question, as this particular forensic postulate intrigues me: what on earth is “neck rigidity consistent with manual strangulation”??? What mysterious force produces said rigidity without external bruising or damaged neck cartilage, which would have been found on hospital admission and/or at autopsy? Wonder if Bill Frist, Dr. Video Diagnosis, will find this sufficient to launch a Justice Dept. probe. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/79 "2005-07-08T16:23:59Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Yeah, that one’s over. You want something to get your blood boiling all over again, though? [Take a gander](http://www.theempirejournal.com/070705_schiavo_Blood_Indicates_strangulation.html). > > That article’s so biased they had to velcro the letters to the page so they wouldn’t slide off… Even good ol’ Mark Fuhrman is [weighing in](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060853379/qid=1120840453/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/002-5058315-1490428?v=glance&s=books&n=507846). The blurb says > [@](#): > > With the complete cooperation of **Terri Schiavo’s parents and siblings** , as well as their medical and legal advisers, he conducts exclusive interviews with forensics experts and crucial witnesses, including friends, family members, and caregivers.\* I wonder what his conclusions are? :rolleyes: \*Bolding mine. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838/80 "2005-07-08T16:25:44Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Yeah, that one’s over. You want something to get your blood boiling all over again, though? [Take a gander](http://www.theempirejournal.com/070705_schiavo_Blood_Indicates_strangulation.html). > > That article’s so biased they had to velcro the letters to the page so they wouldn’t slide off… I’d also like to note, just in case it’s missed, that this article isn’t something that came out a month ago right after they released the autopsy report. This was published _yesterday_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-requests-da-probe-of-m-schiavo/309838.md?page=5)