# JEB! says he is not supporting Trump or Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 7, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229 "2016-05-07T22:22:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/41 "2016-05-09T18:58:36Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I’m laughing. I’m dying. > > \>Cares more about the country > \>intelligence and excellent grasp of the issues > > Are we even talking about the same Bushes here? The same George Dubya Bush that blew a massive hole in the deficit with his two rounds of tax cut under wartime conditions? That took us to war in Iraq under the pretext of WMDs, resulting in hundreds of thousands dead and hundreds of billions spent in treasure? The same administration whose Speaker of the House killed legislation passed unanimously in the Senate to give protections granted to American workers to what were essentially slave labourers toiling in the clothing factories of the Northern Marinara Islands where many were forced into sex slavery or given forced abortions? The same Bush who tried to privatize Social Security? The same Jeb! who even after 13 years couldn’t even say the Iraq War was a mistake and whose socioeconomic policies are the same warmed-over neoliberalism of the past generation? > > Incidentally this is why, even though I actually admire TRUMP much less then most people here think, genuinely respected him for this [this moment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ThZcq1oJQ) in the Republican debates when TRUMP openly called out Jeb! for his brother’s war and letting 9/11 happen on his watch. It was genuinely one of the greatest moments not just of this election but American political history. First, I was taking about Jeb, the smart one. But being wrong about what is good for the country is a lot different from putting the party first. W’s fairly reasonable immigration reform program was not exactly Republican dogma. Bush letting the Fed do the right thing during the financial crisis also went up against his party. Compare that to Senator Turtle who wanted to block any progress in order to beat Obama no matter how many people it hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/42 "2016-05-09T19:43:53Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > First, I was taking about Jeb, the smart one. Considering how much Jeb! fucked up this primary, I’m pretty sure he’s much dumber then his elder brother where it counts. Sure, he might know more random policy trivia and use slightly more inflated language to insinuate himself to the soccer moms, but he was absolutely wrong about the mood or opinion of the Republican electorate. > [@](#): > > But being wrong about what is good for the country is a lot different from putting the party first. That’s much more applicable to TRUMP who is advocating for his own nationalistic worldview regardless of what the rest of the Republican Party thinks. > [@](#): > > W’s fairly reasonable immigration reform program was not exactly Republican dogma. Not really-the Republican donor class wants plenty of cheap labour from developing countries, especially if they come under “guest worker programs” that creates an unfree class of labour which is why Sanders voted against the 2006 immigration bill. > [@](#): > > Bush letting the Fed do the right thing during the financial crisis also went up against his party. Pretty much any President would have done that. > [@](#): > > Compare that to Senator Turtle who wanted to block any progress in order to beat Obama no matter how many people it hurt. Republican Congressional instrangience isn’t exactly unprecedented (see the 1990s). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/43 "2016-05-09T23:09:38Z")
To be fair to Jeb, no one foresaw Trump’s success and the depth of discontent among the party base. Nor was anyone prepared to take on the Donald. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he ran again, with a somewhat less passive campaign strategy. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/44 "2016-05-09T23:26:57Z")
Nobody, and I mean _nobody_ cares what a loser like Jeb! says, does, thinks or scratches into his cave wall with an antler. He’s a certifiable moron, and he’s the **smart one** in the family. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/45 "2016-05-10T00:38:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > If only we could get Turkey under control. This thread is making me Hungary. (Oh, come on, you knew that was coming…) 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/46 "2016-05-10T00:54:02Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Nobody, and I mean _nobody_ cares what a loser like Jeb! says, does, thinks or scratches into his cave wall with an antler. He’s a certifiable moron, and he’s the **smart one** in the family. Actually, Poppy is. The rest is just kneejerk, unsupported opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/47 "2016-05-10T01:04:27Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Actually, Poppy is. The rest is just kneejerk, unsupported opinion. On the contrary, it is he who is backed up the cold, hard facts like the voting returns from Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/48 "2016-05-10T01:10:15Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > On the contrary, it is he who is backed up the cold, hard facts like the voting returns from Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. That he’s a certifiable moron? Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/49 "2016-05-10T01:22:25Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > That he’s a certifiable moron? Try again. In the political sense, absolutely yes. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/50 "2016-05-10T06:43:56Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > If the Republicans truly love America, they will _run one of their bigger names as an independent, thus offering Jeb and many others an option to not voting._ You misspelled “_disband the Party_.” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/51 "2016-05-10T08:03:31Z")
Republicans should run a third candidate if they can pull off the ballot access. Although at this point it might be better to pour all that Presidential money that Trump won’t be getting from the big donors into Senate races. At the very least, the GOP can blow the Dems out of the water in lower ballot races funding-wise by surrendering on the White House. If money means as much as Bernie Sanders and Robert Reich claim, then the billionaire class should be able to help Republicans hold the Senate fairly easily. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/52 "2016-05-10T08:09:08Z")
538 points out that Republicans are avoiding a Trump-style crackup in downballot races: > **[The GOP Doesn’t Seem To Be Cracking Up In Down-Ballot Races](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gop-doesnt-seem-to-be-cracking-up-in-down-ballot-races/)** > > One of the persistent political questions this year is whether the conflict among Republicans is solely driven by Donald Trump. Are we witnessing the culminatio… ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/53 "2016-05-10T12:23:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > 538 points out that Republicans are avoiding a Trump-style crackup in downballot races: > > [The GOP Doesn’t Seem To Be Cracking Up In Down-Ballot Races | FiveThirtyEight](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gop-doesnt-seem-to-be-cracking-up-in-down-ballot-races/) Looks like these discussions are limited to primary battles, not the massive bloodletting that will happen in November. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/54 "2016-05-10T12:33:58Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > If only we could get Turkey under control. Be careful what you wish for. The downfall of Turkey will lead to the destruction of China and the overflow of Greece. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/55 "2016-05-10T16:44:16Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > If the Republicans truly love America, they will run one of their bigger names as an independent, thus offering Jeb and many others an option to not voting. And who would that be? This was supposed to be the election with the Republicans’ Deep Bench. Jeb! himself was supposed to be one of their bigger names. Who is out there who could be a reputable Republican-Independent, who hasn’t already been beaten by Trump? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/56 "2016-05-10T20:14:06Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And who would that be? This was supposed to be the election with the Republicans’ Deep Bench. > > Jeb! himself was supposed to be one of their bigger names. > > Who is out there who could be a reputable Republican-Independent, who hasn’t already been beaten by Trump? Cue elucidator in 3… 2… ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/57 "2016-05-10T21:24:50Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And who would that be? This was supposed to be the election with the Republicans’ Deep Bench. > > Jeb! himself was supposed to be one of their bigger names. > > Who is out there who could be a reputable Republican-Independent, who hasn’t already been beaten by Trump? Michael Bloomberg would have had a chance to do it, but he bowed out months ago and it doesn’t look like he’s riding in to the rescue any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/58 "2016-05-11T00:44:54Z")
Plus, the deadline for getting on the ballot in Texas was yesterday. So if you’ve got a Republican(I) running, they start out without the largest red state. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/59 "2016-05-11T02:03:43Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Be careful what you wish for. The downfall of Turkey will lead to the destruction of China and the overflow of Greece. I think forces from the Canary Islands could be counted on to handle the outcome quite enthusiastically. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeb-says-he-is-not-supporting-trump-or-hillary/754229/60 "2016-05-11T04:47:15Z")
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