# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/181 "2019-07-14T11:31:50Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > I’m not sure exactly what you mean. I don’t read anything there as saying his hiring was nefarious. So why mention it at all? Why mention him rather than the person who was actually running the school at the time when Epstein was hired? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/182 "2019-07-14T12:08:05Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > So why mention it at all? Why mention him rather than the person who was actually running the school at the time when Epstein was hired? The article is quoting someone’s recollection of Barr. It is possible that Barr hired Epstein for the following school year, or that his management and hiring culture persisted for some time after he left, or something else. You seem to be reading some kind of conclusion into the article that isn’t there. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/183 "2019-07-14T12:14:28Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > The article is quoting someone’s recollection of Barr. It is possible that Barr hired Epstein for the following school year, or that his management and hiring culture persisted for some time after he left, or something else. You seem to be reading some kind of conclusion into the article that isn’t there. Or that the author wants to link our memory of Epstein to Bill Barr, trusting that people have fuzzy memories and won’t remember that the connection was spurious and irrelevant, just that there was something about the two of them, connecting the two figures. It’s far more likely that the author wants Barr to be involved in some way than that Barr is actually connected to the matter. At 8 months difference, the odds are that he had no relationship whatsoever and, certainly, if you don’t know that he is connected, it makes no sense to mention him at all over the person who would more likely have been the person to do the hire. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/184 "2019-07-14T12:20:38Z")
(Not to mention that we’re not even talking about Bill Barr here, when we say “Barr”.) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/185 "2019-07-14T14:47:54Z")
If anyone is interested, here’s a link to a redacted version of Epstein’s little black book. I’ve just started perusing it I want to see how many of my own clients are listed). So far the only name I recognize is Alec Baldwin. [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.html#document/p4](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.html#document/p4) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/186 "2019-07-14T17:06:57Z")
Conrad Black is listed; I recognize that name: > [@](#): > > Conrad Moffat Black, Baron Black of Crossharbour,[3] KCSG (born August 25, 1944), is a Canadian-born British former newspaper publisher and author. In 2007, he was convicted on four counts of fraud in U.S. District Court in Chicago. While two of the criminal fraud charges were dropped on appeal, a conviction for felony fraud and obstruction of justice were upheld in 2010 and he was re-sentenced to 42 months in prison and a fine of $125,000. In 2018, he wrote a glowing book about President Donald Trump. On May 15, 2019, he was granted a full pardon by Trump ETA: David Blaine - the magician? Tony Blair Mike Bloomberg Richard Brandon Julia Broadhurst LOTS of familiar names. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/187 "2019-07-14T17:50:49Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > If anyone is interested, here’s a link to a redacted version of Epstein’s little black book. I’ve just started perusing it I want to see how many of my own clients are listed). So far the only name I recognize is Alec Baldwin. > > [DocumentCloud](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.html#document/p4) Lots of out of date listings there, Teddy Kennedy and Peter Lawford. George Soros’s nephew’s name is there, so the right wingers are probably going to want to start something with that, but Individual 1’s brother, ex wife, and daughter are also in there. Lots of people with only one name listed. I don’t suppose “Elizabeth” is the Queen. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/188 "2019-07-14T17:55:17Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Conrad Black is listed; I recognize that name: > > ETA: David Blaine - the magician? > Tony Blair > Mike Bloomberg > Richard Brandon > Julia Broadhurst > > LOTS of familiar names. You probably need a better technique than going through his Rolodex to figure out who is and isn’t a perv though, I do expect, sex addiction is far more widespread and complicating for the rich and famous than we all know or expect. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/189 "2019-07-14T18:12:46Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Conrad Black is listed; I recognize that name: > > ETA: David Blaine - the magician? > Tony Blair > Mike Bloomberg > Richard Brandon > Julia Broadhurst > > LOTS of familiar names. John Cleese is in there. There are a lot of “massage” sections. Also, I recognize a “regular” person (not famous) listed in there. That’s… odd. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/190 "2019-07-14T18:25:53Z")
It’s a curious thing when the list of phone numbers under your own name is longer than the average person’s entire phone number list of other people. I’m curious about the people marked “witness”. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/191 "2019-07-14T19:28:40Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’m curious about the people marked “witness”. Yes. Those are probably the first people that investigators should be calling. “Hi. You’re listed as “witness” in Epstein’s contact book. It’s now time for you to come in and tell us what you witnessed. Thank you.” ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/192 "2019-07-14T19:36:41Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > It’s a curious thing when the list of phone numbers under your own name is longer than the average person’s entire phone number list of other people. > > I’m curious about the people marked “witness”. Also Kevin Spacey and Courtney Love. I know about a half dozen of the non-famous people listed, including the people that live across the street from him. There are a couple of misspelled names as well, I think, I see a listing for “Steve Winn”. And now I know who wired his security system. Which I was curious about, wondering if I knew them. But it’s a large company based in Florida and I don’t know the guy personally. And now I know who his general contractor is. I worked for them a few times but not lately. One thing I found interesting is that there is a second, shorter list of individual’s names and numbers towards the very end. That’s where you will find Tom Barrack and Donald Trump. As well as Dershowitz and Wexner. And John Kerry and Robin Leach. That section starts on page 69:::😏:::::: ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/193 "2019-07-14T20:58:47Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Also Kevin Spacey and Courtney Love. Spacey isn’t circled. The circlings seem to be people who he calls regularly (Ghislaine, Dershowitz, Cindy Lopez, his own people, etc.). That Trump is one of them does seem to put a lie to the idea that they weren’t friends and, one expects, any casual look at their phone records from the time would probably reveal that they were more than acquaintances who bumped into each other at the occasional social event. One does have to wonder what Love’s story is? I am pretty willing to give most people in Epstein’s vicinity a pass, but if you’re a close friend then one does have to doubt. Little lesbian girls, possibly? Charity events for impoverished tween lesbians would be a way to source a few groupies. > **[Courtney Love: 'I Tried Begging'](https://web.archive.org/web/20131224114713/http://theinsider.etonline.com/gossip/52204_Courtney_Love_I_Tried_Begging/)** > > Courtney Love: 'I Tried Begging' > [@](#): > > I know about a half dozen of the non-famous people listed, including the people that live across the street from him. I don’t know who you are, but if you happen to know how to send a letter to Bob Mueller, let me know. 🙂 (And be careful outing yourself if you need to worry about outing yourself on the Internet.) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/194 "2019-07-15T11:53:23Z")
Under the heading “Security (SC)” he has “Scotland Yard”. That raised my eyebrows but after a moment’s reflection I removed the tinfoil hat, queried Google, and found that there is a Philadelphia security firm by that name. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/195 "2019-07-15T12:23:58Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’m curious about the people marked “witness”. [They like to watch.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EqL77G2x61E) ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/196 "2019-07-15T13:58:33Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Reasonably plausible: > > [Thread by @quantian1 on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1148303671857491968.html) > > If Trump is exposed via videos in the hands of Epstein, that will be far preferable to the possibility that Russian videos of the same sort come out. Makes perfect sense. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/197 "2019-07-15T15:02:06Z")
MSNBC is reporting that prosecutors have an old (1980s) expired passport with Epstein’s picture and a different name. They’ don’t know the issuing country but it apparently shows a place of residence in Saudi Arabia. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/198 "2019-07-15T18:19:23Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > MSNBC is reporting that prosecutors have an old (1980s) expired passport with Epstein’s picture and a different name. They’ don’t know the issuing country but it apparently shows a place of residence in Saudi Arabia. > > WTF? Manafort also had some foreign, false passports if I recall correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/199 "2019-07-15T19:05:53Z")
Epstein’s lawyers are arguing that he should be allowed house arrest in his Upper East Side mansion because he has been obeying the rules of his prison release. But isn’t the fact that investigators found tons of videos of underage girls proof that he has, in fact, committed a crime for every day that he was in possession of those illegal materials? > **[Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys propose home detention at his $77 million mansion...](https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/jeffrey-epstein-bail/index.html)** > > Lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein proposed a bail package on Thursday that would allow the multimillionaire alleged sex trafficker to remain out of jail pending trial and live instead in home detention at his Upper East Side mansion, one of the largest... ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/200 "2019-07-15T20:03:43Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Epstein’s lawyers are arguing that he should be allowed house arrest in his Upper East Side mansion because he has been obeying the rules of his prison release. But isn’t the fact that investigators found tons of videos of underage girls proof that he has, in fact, committed a crime for every day that he was in possession of those illegal materials? > [https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/jeffrey-epstein-bail/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/jeffrey-epstein-bail/index.html) “Prosecutors, however, said in court earlier this week that agents recovered as many as thousands of images of what appeared to be nude underage girls during a search of his Manhattan home in the hours after his arrest on July 6, and the possession of those images could violate the terms of his sex offender conditions.” Clearly they are aware of this fact. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=11)