# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/221 "2019-07-16T20:16:29Z")
Trump _has_ done such things. The only question is why. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/222 "2019-07-16T20:30:33Z")
Aside from his addiction to Twitter, Trump strikes me as an old-school mob boss. He’d rather have a sit-down than use the phone or any other technology for talking “business.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/223 "2019-07-16T20:43:46Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > It’s quite implausible to me that Trump would set up a _clandestine_ meeting with a known sex offender, on a trip where the whole world is watching his every move. Trump is a moron. He is not a fool. Okay, he IS a fool too, but I hope you get my meaning. Agent Orange Ass-clown has met with Putin in secret meetings with the world watching and then joked about Russia interference in US elections surrounded by reporters. You think he’s beyond setting up a meeting with Epstein just to check if the child trafficker destroyed that video like he promised he would? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/224 "2019-07-16T21:45:55Z")
So there’s this right wing meme I’ve been seeing on Twitter > Don’t click the link if you are susceptible to the crazy. It’s a link of names out of Epstein’s address book. Selectively Democrats and show biz types. Bill Clinton is at the top. But something seemed wrong. I went back to the address book. Bill Clinton is NOT listed. Nor is Hillary. Not even a short listing. There is a listing for the White House but it’s two lines and seems to consist of the general information phone number and the address, I guess they weren’t THAT close. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/225 "2019-07-16T21:48:10Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Walking in on the Miss Teen USA (or whatever it was) dressing rooms? What political party are the four (out of something like forty) people who said that he did it? Of course, the media should be asking, “What are the odds that a man with three provable pedophile associates and two other probables would also be accused, independently, of ogling naked tweens?” You can’t just report stuff in isolation. If you just mention that Trump flew on a plane with Epstein once and you don’t also mention Epstein and Nader and Arif and Miss Teen USA, then you’re just not doing your job as a reporter. People aren’t going to remember this stuff on their own. You have to tie it together. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/226 "2019-07-16T21:51:41Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Agent Orange Ass-clown has met with Putin in secret meetings with the world watching and then joked about Russia interference in US elections surrounded by reporters. > > You think he’s beyond setting up a meeting with Epstein just to check if the child trafficker destroyed that video like he promised he would? LOL, the vaunted Secret Service allowed Trump to meet, alone, with Russians in the Oval Office. The idea that the Secret Service wouldn’t “allow” these meetings… when the Director serves at the pleasure of the sitting President… is preposterous. And how many Directors have the SS had under Trump? [Four, in two years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_the_United_States_Secret_Service). And given that [the Secret Service was a hot mess under Obama](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/10/01/a-shortlist-of-recent-secret-service-scandals/?utm_term=.3d4857734aac), I cannot imagine that they’ve gotten better under the Trumpster Fire. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/227 "2019-07-16T21:53:19Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > It’s quite implausible to me that Trump would set up a _clandestine_ meeting with a known sex offender, on a trip where the whole world is watching his every move. Trump is a moron. He is not a fool. Okay, he IS a fool too, but I hope you get my meaning. > [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > To me, it’s sort of like the Clinton/Loretta Lynch (AG) meeting on that airport runway in broad daylight, but in reverse. There is no way Clinton would have set up or gone to a meeting with her that day to dream up some nefarious plot, the details of which I now forget he was said to have wanted done, literally in broad daylight. He would have called her secretly on the phone, or emailed her, or communicated by carrier pigeon. Not do it where everyone would be aware, and give his enemies ammo to attack him with. No, if Trump wanted to talk with anyone secretly, he would have done it in a way that would be nearly impossible to trace. And I have no good idea how he could have done even that. I am quite comfortable in saying that I _guarantee_ Trump will never be shown to have done any such thing. Trump doesn’t email and he doesn’t say anything over the phone that can’t be said on TV. He only has discussions of import in private and in person. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/228 "2019-07-16T21:56:42Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > \*\*What political party are the four (out of something like forty) people who said that he did it? > \*\* > Of course, the media should be asking, “What are the odds that a man with three provable pedophile associates and two other probables would also be accused, independently, of ogling naked tweens?” > > You can’t just report stuff in isolation. If you just mention that Trump flew on a plane with Epstein once and you don’t also mention Epstein and Nader and Arif and Miss Teen USA, then you’re just not doing your job as a reporter. People aren’t going to remember this stuff on their own. You have to tie it together. [Republican](https://thinkprogress.org/trump-beauty-pageants-naked-2dc4b6c6d507/). > [@](#): > > On an appearance on The Howard Stern Show in 2005, published on Sunday by CNN, Trump described going backstage at the beauty pageants while the contestants were undressed. “Before a show, I’ll go backstage and everyone’s getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” he said. “You know, I’m inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good.” > > “You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’” he continued. “And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that.” > > According to interviews BuzzFeed News conducted with former Miss Teen USA contestants, Trump did just that in 1997. Four women who were competing in the pageant that year — including one who was 15 at the time — recalled that Trump walked into the dressing area while they were changing. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/229 "2019-07-16T22:38:55Z")
Actually, they met in the basement of a Parisian pizza place. You can google map it: there’s like three within 49 minutes of that runway. Coincidence? Hmmmm ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/230 "2019-07-16T22:49:29Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Republican](https://thinkprogress.org/trump-beauty-pageants-naked-2dc4b6c6d507/). Oh, so Trump said it. In that case it’s probably just fake news, you can’t believe anything that guys says.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/231 "2019-07-16T23:02:18Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > To me, it’s sort of like the Clinton/Loretta Lynch (AG) meeting on that airport runway in broad daylight, but in reverse. There is no way Clinton would have set up or gone to a meeting with her that day to dream up some nefarious plot, the details of which I now forget he was said to have wanted done, literally in broad daylight. He would have called her secretly on the phone, or emailed her, or communicated by carrier pigeon. Not do it where everyone would be aware, and give his enemies ammo to attack him with. No, if Trump wanted to talk with anyone secretly, he would have done it in a way that would be nearly impossible to trace. And I have no good idea how he could have done even that. I am quite comfortable in saying that I _guarantee_ Trump will never be shown to have done any such thing. You’re ignoring the difference between Clinton and Trump – about 50 IQ points. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/232 "2019-07-16T23:04:32Z")
> [@](#): > > On an appearance on The Howard Stern Show in 2005, published on Sunday by CNN, Trump described going backstage at the beauty pageants while the contestants were undressed. “Before a show, I’ll go backstage and everyone’s getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” he said. “You know, I’m inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good.” > > “You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’” he continued. “And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that.” > > According to interviews BuzzFeed News conducted with former Miss Teen USA contestants, Trump did just that in 1997. Four women who were competing in the pageant that year — including one who was 15 at the time — recalled that Trump walked into the dressing area while they were changing. Trump brags to Howard Stern that he get to look at nude underage girls. Makes a point to say that no other men are there. Well of course not, a man would not do that. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/233 "2019-07-16T23:17:15Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Agent Orange Ass-clown has met with Putin in secret meetings with the world watching and then joked about Russia interference in US elections surrounded by reporters. > > You think he’s beyond setting up a meeting with Epstein just to check if the child trafficker destroyed that video like he promised he would? He can explain meeting with Putin. The president is expected to meet with foreign leaders. I don’t know how he would explain a meeting with Epstein if it were found out, and it _would_ be found out. > [@JohnT](#): > > LOL, the vaunted Secret Service allowed Trump to meet, alone, with Russians in the Oval Office. > > The idea that the Secret Service wouldn’t “allow” these meetings… when the Director serves at the pleasure of the sitting President… is preposterous. And how many Directors have the SS had under Trump? [Four, in two years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_the_United_States_Secret_Service). > > And given that [the Secret Service was a hot mess under Obama](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/10/01/a-shortlist-of-recent-secret-service-scandals/?utm_term=.3d4857734aac), I cannot imagine that they’ve gotten better under the Trumpster Fire. My point was not “allowing”, it was that Secret Service agents would know about it, and Trump would not be dumb enough to let anyone know he was meeting with Epstein. It would be too risky that the info would be leaked. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/234 "2019-07-16T23:22:50Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > You’re ignoring the difference between Clinton and Trump – about 50 IQ points. Maybe you’re joking, or not, I don’t know. But I am not ignoring anything. It is preposterous that Trump would be so stupid as to meet with a known sex offender that he has ties with and is known to have been social with, that he presumably has no good explanation for if it were found out, half way around the world in the middle of a conference that has most if not all of the world’s biggest leaders in attendance, on a trip that would have been planned months in advance, and where the president’s time would have been laid out to the second. Utterly preposterous. How many people would have to have been in on this? Too many to hide it, that’s how many. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/235 "2019-07-17T04:47:39Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Maybe you’re joking, or not, I don’t know. But I am not ignoring anything. It is preposterous that Trump would be so stupid as to meet with a known sex offender that he has ties with and is known to have been social with, that he presumably has no good explanation for if it were found out, half way around the world in the middle of a conference that has most if not all of the world’s biggest leaders in attendance, on a trip that would have been planned months in advance, and where the president’s time would have been laid out to the second. > > Utterly preposterous. How many people would have to have been in on this? Too many to hide it, that’s how many. I commend you for your anti-conspiracy instincts, and it is probably more likely that he only met with Barrack and that Epstein’s presence in Paris was happenstance. That said, though, you are basically describing exactly the sort of thing that the Secret Service is famous for. They specialize in sneaking people in and out of the White House, hotels, or wherever it is the President usually would be, to go meet with a mistress, party with some prostitutes, purchase some heroin, or whatever it might be, and ensure that no one beyond the agents involved are ever aware of that event and none of them will ever spill those beans. Using the example of a mistress, certainly Trump has taken off time to go meet with a few of his special ladies while in office, having the secret service spirit him across whatever city he’s in to whatever her hotel room might be, without anyone - not hotel staff, not nobody - being aware that it was happening; no reporting in the press, no rumors that it’s going on. I don’t know how they accomplish that but, as said, it is the sort of thing that the Special Service has had over a century figuring out how to pull off and they genuinely do seem to be amazing at it. If Trump’s sex life is completely under wrap, it’s fair to say that he could figure out how to get into the same room as two men with powerful connections to hold a clandestine meeting. There’s no question that he’s met with George Nader. Epstein is worse but, so far as a Secret Service agent is concerned, working with shady figures that have funky connections to other foreign leaders, operate as CIA sources, etc. is not uncommon. Maybe one of them would break and leak rumor if Trump tried diddling an 8 year old right in front of them but, so far as I understand what they do, setting up a meeting between the President and an unsavory figure and doing it in a way where there’s no hint of that event having ever occurred is exactly their task and they’re very good at it. By no means is that evidence that Trump has met with Epstein. But I don’t think that your objection is a real one. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/236 "2019-07-17T04:57:12Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Maybe you’re joking, or not, I don’t know. But I am not ignoring anything. It is preposterous that Trump would be so stupid as to meet with a known sex offender that he has ties with and is known to have been social with, that he presumably has no good explanation for if it were found out, half way around the world in the middle of a conference that has most if not all of the world’s biggest leaders in attendance, on a trip that would have been planned months in advance, and where the president’s time would have been laid out to the second. > > Utterly preposterous. How many people would have to have been in on this? Too many to hide it, that’s how many. Trump’s time isn’t laid out to the second. He’s a spoiled lazy toddler. He spends six hours a day watching FOXNews. Not that I’m thinking it happened, but I’m pretty sure they schedule like an hour or two a day of actual work. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/237 "2019-07-17T07:09:28Z")
The affair has hit an unexpected target of opportunity: former Israeli Prime Minister (and Bibi Netanyahu’s nemesis)[Ehud Barak,](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7250009/Netanyahu-challenger-Ehud-Barak-hides-face-enters-entering-Jeffrey-Epsteins-mansion.html) who’s in the middle of an attempted political comeback. Israeli media is in an uproar. Strange days indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/238 "2019-07-17T07:39:06Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The affair has hit an unexpected target of opportunity: former Israeli Prime Minister (and Bibi Netanyahu’s nemesis)[Ehud Barak,](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7250009/Netanyahu-challenger-Ehud-Barak-hides-face-enters-entering-Jeffrey-Epsteins-mansion.html) who’s in the middle of an attempted political comeback. Israeli media is in an uproar. > > Strange days indeed. I’d vote that Israel should try looking for an option 3. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/239 "2019-07-17T08:04:38Z")
You don’t have to convince me. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/240 "2019-07-17T09:01:46Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > You don’t have to convince me. After 5 minutes of Googling, I’ll throw my hat in for Abraham Neyman. Give the guy a background check and if he passes a corruption sniff, give it to him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=13)