# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/281 "2019-07-18T12:59:55Z")
[Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy) BTW ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/282 "2019-07-18T14:31:00Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Certainly, I understand the sentiment but I would say that we live in the real world and this is the sort of situation where is likely that a prosecutor could end up in a situation where they’re weighing the difference of giant horrors and his ability to remove the greatest amount as possible from the world. > > Epstein is 70 years old - getting into “things don’t work anymore” territory - and will likely be under a magnifying lense for the rest of his life. Fundamentally, you can’t undo the damage that he has done before now and the amount of damage that he can still do is fairly small. > > I don’t want him to go free but, for the right price, it may well be worth letting him go. IMO, the “right price” offer is along the lines of: “Sing like a canary and we’ll put you in a Club Fed instead of a place with a short life expectancy for kiddie diddlers.” ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/283 "2019-07-18T15:25:09Z")
What are the chances that Epstein will be released on bail? I see that R Kelly was denied, but he’s no Epstein. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/284 "2019-07-18T15:31:13Z")
The hearing is about to start, so I can jump in and say that while it isn’t 0%, I would say it is very, very low. Be quite an uproar if he gets “house arrest” and then skips, knowing all we know about how he was prepared to flee in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/285 "2019-07-18T15:34:34Z")
Rejected. Epstein to remain in jail, Berman citing danger to others and the community. Written ruling to be available in a hour or so. > ETA: Apparently, the section about the above “danger to others and the community” runs to _ten full pages_. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/286 "2019-07-18T16:32:33Z")
Some businesses connected to Epstein have been tracked down through the Panama Papers, it seems: > **[Leaked documents show Jeffrey Epstein kept funds offshore. Can the money even...](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article232799597.html)** > > Jeffrey Epstein’s attorneys, who were hoping to persuade a judge to release the accused sexual predator on bail while awaiting trial, submitted a bare bones accounting of his financing this week. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/287 "2019-07-18T17:05:37Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > That’s generally true but not absolutely true. It’s generally accepted, for example, that if the President murdered someone in broad daylight in front of a pile of witnesses that you would have to move forward with a prosecution. One of the few accurate things that Trump has ever said is that he could just shoot somebody in front of witnesses and get away with it. About the only thing he could do that would result in punishment would be walking into Congress and killing Republican Congress members. But not Democrats, those he could get away with killing. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/288 "2019-07-18T17:07:33Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > One of the few accurate things that Trump has ever said is that he could just shoot somebody in front of witnesses and get away with it. About the only thing he could do that would result in punishment would be walking into Congress and killing Republican Congress members. > > But not Democrats, those he could get away with killing. That’s impeachment not prosecution. ---
**Author:** ![MortSahlFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@MortSahlFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MortSahlFan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/289 "2019-07-18T17:45:31Z")
let’s hope he doesn’t get ANOTHER slap on the wrist ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/290 "2019-07-18T17:59:39Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Had there been sufficient evidence of a conspiracy with Russia, Mueller probably would have prosecuted. AFAIK there is zero evidence to support this assertion, and quite a lot to deny it. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/291 "2019-07-19T02:05:30Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > Could it be that Ivanka did some “modeling” for Epstein, not knowing the pictures would make their way back to daddy? I hope if and when the FBI finds this material, they disregard any order from the Attorney General to immediately destroy it. This seems incredibly unlikely. Epstein does not appear to be a stupid man, and he probably would not shit where he eats, so to speak. That said, on the infinitesimally small chance that such a thing happened, Ivanka Trump would be deserving of the same protections as any other teenage victim of Epstein, and I would hope that such pictures would be destroyed immediately, without copies being made. I supposed pictures like that might be needed as evidence at some trial in the future, and I suppose they could be shown in a closed courtroom, but after that, they should be destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/292 "2019-07-19T15:03:09Z")
Going to park this here, rather than start a new thread: [George Nader, Witness in Mueller Probe, Hit With New Charges of Sex Trafficking](https://www.thedailybeast.com/george-nader-witness-in-mueller-probe-hit-with-new-charges-of-sex-trafficking) > [@](#): > > George Nader, who was a key witness in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, has been hit with new federal charges of **child pornography** , sex trafficking, and obscenity, according to a person familiar with the case. > > The charges come on top of **separate child-porn charges** leveled by the same prosecutors last month. The new indictment is set to be unsealed Friday morning in the Eastern District of Virginia, according to the person. > > … > > Nader, a 60-year-old Lebanese-American businessman with deep political and financial ties to the United Arab Emirates, was a key cooperator in Mueller’s probe of foreign influence in the 2016 election. Nader met several times with individuals associated with the Trump campaign throughout the election and into the early days of the administration. He spoke with officials and advisers on matters ranging from a pitch by a foreign firm for the campaign to use social-media manipulation to regime-change in Iran. (He met with Donald Trump Jr. and other campaign advisors about the plan, which included a proposal to use fake avatars to garner support for Trump, but Trump officials deny they ever considered it.) “Really, guys… the fake avatars? It’s just too much. Let’s just stick with the email hacking and collusion with Russia.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/293 "2019-07-19T16:01:02Z")
When I was a kid, I would go down every summer and visit my grandparents for 4-6 weeks at a time - they had lost their daughter when I was 1yo, so her children (me and my sibs) were the closest connection they had to my mom, so they were glad to host us, even as small children. They were typically stern, frugal, and religious, as one would expect people who raised children during the Great Depression would be. And I was a typical nerdy kid, reading books that were “too old” for me ever since I started reading. So, in 1978, 1979 or thereabouts, I went down to Daytona Beach for the summer, like always, but this time sneaking in my favorite book of the moment, _The Book of Lists_, which had all sorts of cool info about pop stars, missing persons, the occult, and… yes… sex. So, like a genius, I hid it in the closet. Where my grandmother inevitably found it. Long story short, she’s holding the book in front of me and my grandfather, flipping through this well-worn paperback, reading the “horrifying” information I was looking at. Then she gets to “6 people with additional body parts” (the Mexican guy with the head growing out of his head sticks with me to this day, but I digress…), turns the page in shock, only to see “6 most popular positions for sexual intercourse.” That did it, I can tell you! My grandmother lost it, demanding who and where I got this book, and like a 11yo 400 miles from home, I cracked with some typical kid bullshit: “IT WAS DANNY’S BOOK! HE READ IT AND THEN GAVE IT TO ME TO READ! I HAVEN’T EVEN LOOKED AT IT YET!” For _years_ after that, my grandmother always asked me if I knew Danny. (He didn’t even exist, to be honest. Sorry, Grammy.) So… why is this relevant to Jeff Epstein? [Because Epstein literally gave the same excuse to the judge that I gave my grandmother. And the excuse worked just as well.](https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1151863857922629632) > [@](#): > > UPDATE: Jeffrey Epstein’s lawyers said Thursday that the fake, foreign passport found in his safe was given to him by a friend and had already been used when he got it. Very few times can I laugh when reading about pedophiles, but I admit it: This time, I laughed. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/294 "2019-07-19T16:24:16Z")
[“IT’S GOING TO BE STAGGERING, THE AMOUNT OF NAMES”: AS THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN CASE GROWS MORE GROTESQUE, MANHATTAN AND DC BRACE FOR IMPACT](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-grows-more-grotesque) > [@](#): > > But among the most pressing queries is which other famous people might be exposed for committing sex crimes. “There were other business associates of Mr. Epstein’s who engaged in improper sexual misconduct at one or more of his homes. We do know that,” said Brad Edwards, a lawyer for Courtney Wild, one of the Epstein accusers who gave emotional testimony at Epstein’s bail hearing. “In due time the names are going to start coming out.” (Attorneys for Epstein did not respond to a request for comment.) > > Likely within days, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will release almost 2,000 pages of documents that could reveal sexual abuse by “numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders,” according to the three-judge panel’s ruling. The documents were filed during a civil defamation lawsuit brought by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre, a former Mar-a-Lago locker-room attendant, against Epstein’s former girlfriend and alleged madam, Ghislaine Maxwell. “Nobody who was around Epstein a lot is going to have an easy time now. It’s all going to come out,” said Giuffre’s lawyer David Boies. Another person involved with litigation against Epstein told me: **“It’s going to be staggering, the amount of names. It’s going to be contagion numbers.”** ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/295 "2019-07-19T16:30:32Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Because Epstein literally gave the same excuse to the judge that I gave my grandmother. And the excuse worked just as well.](https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1151863857922629632) > . Was the mysterious person who used this fake foreign passport and then gave it to Epstein his twin brother? Otherwise how did he manage to use a passport with Epstein’s face on it? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/296 "2019-07-19T16:32:01Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Right. For this to be a “strategy” there would have to be significant periods of time when Trump was _not_ saying stupid hateful stuff. But it’s really just a constant drumbeat. Every couple of days (or less) Trump says or tweets some more nonsense. And Trump getting bad publicity about one thing or another is pretty much constant too. I really don’t see that Trump ups the outrageousness in a consistent way when some other shit is going on. Apropos of this, I just saw this on Facebook; > [@](#): > > America 2019, where the president’s sexual assault victim gets pushed out of the news by the president’s concentration camps for children, which gets pushed out of the news by the president’s child-sex-trafficking bestie which gets pushed out of the news by the president’s racism. > -Jeff Tiedrich ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/297 "2019-07-19T16:33:30Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Was the mysterious person who used this fake foreign passport and then gave it to Epstein his twin brother? Otherwise how did he manage to use a passport with Epstein’s face on it? I was wondering about this part as well. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/298 "2019-07-19T16:41:23Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Was the mysterious person who used this fake foreign passport and then gave it to Epstein his twin brother? Otherwise how did he manage to use a passport with Epstein’s face on it? Pshaw, twin brother is so Agatha Christie. This is the twenty-first century. It was Jeffrey Epstein, but from a parallel universe… dun dun dun. If through the wormhole another Jeffrey Epstein did flit, you must acquit. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/299 "2019-07-19T17:26:06Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Apropos of this, I just saw this on Facebook; > [@](#): > > America 2019, where the president’s sexual assault victim gets pushed out of the news by the president’s concentration camps for children, which gets pushed out of the news by the president’s child-sex-trafficking bestie which gets pushed out of the news by the president’s racism. > -Jeff Tiedrich It’s scandal firewalking. As long as we jump from one to the next quickly enough, nobody gets hurt. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/300 "2019-07-19T17:38:54Z")
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