# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/341 "2019-07-27T00:00:14Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > There’s probably a way to make a somewhat decent spike or of paper and sperm out some other substance. > > Obviously, not an ideal way to go. On Mythbusters they made a crossbow out of newspapers and underwear. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/342 "2019-07-27T00:50:46Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > And it also mentions that Wexner gave money (like over twenty million) to a charity set up by Epstein. I imagine that this “charity” does about as much charitable work as the Trump foundation. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/343 "2019-07-27T01:22:07Z")
Actually, the article says that the foundation gave money to the police department in Palm Beach. Florida, in addition to other places (like the Clinton Foundation). I suspect that the police might be more cooperative with a big-time donor when it comes to investigating him. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/344 "2019-07-27T01:48:13Z")
If the Clinton Foundation doesn’t have an army of accountants tracing every dollar donated by, or via, Jeff Epstein for the purposes of donating a like amount to a victims fund, they need to put me in charge so I can tell Chelsea to do just that. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/345 "2019-07-27T01:51:56Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > “Lawmaker says she’s been told to back off call for probe of Jeffrey Epstein’s work release” > [https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article233102457.html](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article233102457.html) > > So now Russians are involving themselves in this? Who knows if that website’s allegations are true or not, but why the Russian interest? And who’s threatening her? > > Curiouser and curiouser. Step 1 of having something like that occur to you would be to call the FBI. Step 2 would be the FBI asking you to not discuss it with the media. We can infer that she didn’t go to the FBI, so either she’s lying about this or she’s not actually worried about the threats - probably having decided that it’s just some internet troll - and is just playing it up for media attention. I’d probably go with the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/346 "2019-07-27T04:11:45Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Step 1 of having something like that occur to you would be to call the FBI. > > Step 2 would be the FBI asking you to not discuss it with the media. > > We can infer that she didn’t go to the FBI, so either she’s lying about this or she’s not actually worried about the threats - probably having decided that it’s just some internet troll - and is just playing it up for media attention. I’d probably go with the latter. She called the Capitol police. Not the call I would have made, but it’s not nothing. If we’re looking for fakery in this case, my first choice would be the Palm Beach Sheriff, whose department is going to investigate themselves re: Epstein’s earlier work-release terms of 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. All things considered, that’s something that could use a Federal investigation for bribery and corruption. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/347 "2019-07-27T06:21:43Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Step 1 of having something like that occur to you would be to call the FBI. > > Step 2 would be the FBI asking you to not discuss it with the media. > > We can infer that she didn’t go to the FBI, so either she’s lying about this or she’s not actually worried about the threats - probably having decided that it’s just some internet troll - and is just playing it up for media attention. I’d probably go with the latter. She’s a Florida **state** senator being threatened over her investigation of a local sheriff’s department, so she called the Florida capitol police. I’m not sure that the FBI would even have jurisdiction on this. Possibly they might be interested in the Russian website, but her first concern was her own safety, which would be the concern of the Florida capitol police. If you’re concerned that a local government is a threat to your safety then going to the press isn’t an unreasonable course of action. In any case, even if you’re correct that she acted improperly, how is not going to the FBI proof of anything? She could be panicking or simply unsure about who to turn to. She’s obviously not trying to hide her claims from the FBI. Going to the press would hardly achieve that. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/348 "2019-07-27T19:56:57Z")
It is crazy how some right wing media tries to insert Clinton and omit Trump every time they mention Epstein. They drill it in. “Epstein, friend of Bill Clinton, was arrested at his home on…” “The financier was a friend of Clinton…” That tells me that they think Epstein is going _down_, and damn sure want to make use of that fact. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/349 "2019-07-27T20:42:27Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > It is crazy how some right wing media tries to insert Clinton and omit Trump every time they mention Epstein. They drill it in. > > “Epstein, friend of Bill Clinton, was arrested at his home on…” “The financier was a friend of Clinton…” > > That tells me that they think Epstein is going _down_, and damn sure want to make use of that fact. Of course he’s going down. I don’t think there’s any question about that. The interesting question at this point is who’s going down with him. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/350 "2019-07-27T23:59:27Z")
As long as that going down isn’t another 2008 stroll in the countryside. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/351 "2019-07-28T01:56:20Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > OK, the rest I follow, but no reading ? What are they afraid of, particularly vicious paper cuts ? If you make a big enough wad of damp paper, you can swallow it and choke yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/352 "2019-07-28T03:56:20Z")
It looks like Ghislaine had a charity just for the purpose of paying off witnesses. > **[Feds probe socialite’s mysterious ocean ‘charity’ over links to Jeffrey Epstein](https://nypost.com/2019/07/27/feds-probe-socialites-mysterious-ocean-charity-over-links-to-jeffrey-epstein/)** > > A mysterious do-nothing charity founded by Jeffrey Epstein’s socialite gal pal is being investigated by the FBI for possible links to the convicted pedophile, The Post has learned. The TerraMar Pro… I’m not sure of the laws, but I would assume that accepting hush money, for criminal investigations, makes you complicit in Obstruction of Justice? The recipient of those funds is probably looking at a fine and a slap on the wrist minimum security sentence or being held to pay back the government for the total amount taken plus interest and a few years in the slammer. If Maxwell isn’t already in a non-extradition country, I assume that she’s Googling it and working with her banker to move any money that she hasn’t already stashed offshore from London and the US to Cyprus or wherever. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/353 "2019-07-28T04:03:21Z")
I checked out Steven Haft, btw. No indications of misbehavior following Weinstein’s outing. The Dead Poet’s link might be somewhat worrying, if we assume that the boys of Hollywood have been less forthcoming than the ladies, but for the moment it’s probably better to assume that he simply bought into the “saving the ocean” headline. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/354 "2019-07-28T13:41:37Z")
All this shady money… in the current system, whenever anybody notices a shady transaction, the rational thing to do is either not to notice, or angle for hush money. The chances of the cops going after the bad guys are slim, and the whistleblower is more likely to get in trouble for doing the right thing, then to get any kind of reward. Lets be honest: the only incentive for making sure shady business is actually reported to justice in such a way jutices feels they have to deal with it, is a. a business rival wants to bring down another guy to take his place, or b. an investigator sees a chance to publish a juicy story that will make him famous and will make his news outlet money. c. a personal vendetta or damages claim by a victim or victims. Wouldn’t that whole dynamic change if there came a law for a finders fee of reporting shady transactions? What if, if a whistleblower offered a case + evidence on a platter to the DA, he would get 1 % of the tax money saved as a personal reward? I bet shady financials deals like the ones associated with this one, and tax evasion as we know it, would end. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/355 "2019-07-28T13:43:09Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > It looks like Ghislaine had a charity just for the purpose of paying off witnesses. > > [Feds probe heiress' ocean 'charity' for links to Jeffrey Epstein](https://nypost.com/2019/07/27/feds-probe-socialites-mysterious-ocean-charity-over-links-to-jeffrey-epstein/) > > I’m not sure of the laws, but I would assume that accepting hush money, for criminal investigations, makes you complicit in Obstruction of Justice? > > The recipient of those funds is probably looking at a fine and a slap on the wrist minimum security sentence or being held to pay back the government for the total amount taken plus interest and a few years in the slammer. > > If Maxwell isn’t already in a non-extradition country, I assume that she’s Googling it and working with her banker to move any money that she hasn’t already stashed offshore from London and the US to Cyprus or wherever. Ghislaine is not in custody yet? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/356 "2019-07-28T16:30:43Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > Ghislaine is not in custody yet? 😕 Not so far as I was aware and not so far as a quick Google would indicate. The legal system is pretty poorly configured for dealing with people with resources ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/357 "2019-07-28T21:12:06Z")
[Here](https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-bradshaw-epstein-treatment-20190718-u5mpcspemva6xjwfe4lzieoqtm-story.html)’s an article from the South Florida Sun Sentinel that describes the circumstances of his work release. The sheriff claims that he didn’t get any special treatment but it sure sounds like he did, based on what this article and the one that Harry Shearer read on his public radio program Le Show say. The deputies who were escorting him had to wear business suits and refer to him as Mr Epstein (presumably to make it appear that they were subordinate to him). The work location was at “The Florida Science Foundation” which he created when the work release program was negotiated and closed right after he was released. F Scott Fitzgerald said something about how the rich are different from you and me. Well, apparently that extends to how they serve jail time. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/358 "2019-07-31T19:48:08Z")
Holy. Fucking. Hell. [Jeffrey Epstein Hoped to Seed Human Race With His DNA](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/business/jeffrey-epstein-eugenics.html) > [@](#): > > Jeffrey E. Epstein, the wealthy financier and accused sex trafficker, had an unusual dream: He hoped to seed the human race with his DNA by impregnating women at his vast New Mexico ranch. > Mr. Epstein over the years confided to scientists and others about his scheme, according to four people familiar with his thinking, although there is no evidence that it ever came to fruition. > Mr. Epstein’s vision reflected his longstanding fascination with what has become known as transhumanism: the science of improving the human population through technologies like genetic engineering and artificial intelligence. Critics have likened transhumanism to a modern-day version of eugenics, the discredited field of improving the human race through controlled breeding. > > … > > Mr. Epstein attracted a glittering array of prominent scientists. They included the Nobel Prize-winning physicist Murray Gell-Mann, who discovered the quark; the theoretical physicist and best-selling author Stephen Hawking; the paleontologist and evolutionary biologist Stephen J. Gould; Oliver Sacks, the neurologist and best-selling author; George M. Church, a molecular engineer who has worked to identify genes that could be altered to create superior humans; and the M.I.T. theoretical physicist Frank Wilczek, a Nobel laureate. > > … > > Mr. Epstein attracted a glittering array of prominent scientists. They included the Nobel Prize-winning physicist Murray Gell-Mann, who discovered the quark; the theoretical physicist and best-selling author Stephen Hawking; the paleontologist and evolutionary biologist Stephen J. Gould; Oliver Sacks, the neurologist and best-selling author; George M. Church, a molecular engineer who has worked to identify genes that could be altered to create superior humans; and the M.I.T. theoretical physicist Frank Wilczek, a Nobel laureate. > > … > > Luminaries at Mr. Epstein’s St. Thomas conference in 2006 included Mr. Hawking and the Caltech theoretical physicist Kip S. Thorne. One participant at that conference, which was ostensibly on the subject of gravity, recalled that Mr. Epstein wanted to talk about perfecting the human genome. Mr. Epstein said he was fascinated with how certain traits were passed on, and how that could result in superior humans. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/359 "2019-07-31T20:25:03Z")
“Mr. Epstein said he was fascinated with how certain traits were passed on, and how that could result in superior humans.” “Mr. Epstein” and “superior humans” should not be associated in the same universe, let alone the same sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/360 "2019-07-31T20:58:37Z")
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