# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/501 "2019-08-10T23:17:44Z")
Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/502 "2019-08-10T23:18:11Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > What!? Epstein, Trump, and Tom Barrac (sp?) were regular fixtures in the NY social scene. Plenty of bartenders, wait staff and partygoers have stories, and many give their names. I’m not going to carry on this argument, as I believe Epstein killed himself, but you are ust wrong here. > > Eta: @Sage rat. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I saw someone say that, but I didn’t see an article for it. I’ll check back through the thread to see if there was a cite that I missed. It looks like it’s based on Michael Wolfe’s reporting in Fire & Fury. I have no access to it so I can’t confirm the quality of the information. I’ll have to do some Googling, later, to see if there’s any independent review of Wolfe’s reporting. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/503 "2019-08-10T23:19:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Hard to imagine that this could have happened without someone powerful, aside from Epstein, wanting it to happen. > [@asahi](#): > > I hate to go conspiracy theorist here but the timing is peculiar, particularly given that documents had started to come out disclosing names of individuals associated with one of Epstein’s sex workers. > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > At this point, this being a straight up suicide with no input or help from others is the conspiracy theory. > [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Holy fucking shit. I am not a conspiracy guy, I hate conspiracy guys, but this fucking smells like shit. > [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](#): > > I agree with you that conspiracy theories are usually bovine excrement. However, I think the rich swine in both parties decided to take him out because he was going to spill too much. Nope, I’m not buying it. The conspiracy theories that is, because by default conspiracy theories are garbage. I simply refuse to be that damn credulous. His life was effectively over, he knew it and he’d already tried to off himself once. Occam’s Razor suggests he just made a second go of it and this time he succeeded. This will be investigated to the hilt, simply because it looks hinky as hell. Whatever was going to come out will, eventually, come out. If he really was poisoned/ninja’ed/ strangled with the dark side of the force that will also come out and when real damning evidence of a conspiracy is presented I’ll shake my head and say a mea culpa. But I kinda doubt any of that nonsense is at play. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/504 "2019-08-10T23:24:55Z")
You’re probably right, Tamerlane. The chances of a prison hit are slim, but his death does look at least a wee bit suspicious under the circumstances – more so the timing than any actual physical evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/505 "2019-08-10T23:28:27Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Nope, I’m not buying it. The conspiracy theories that is, because by default conspiracy theories are garbage. I simply refuse to be that damn credulous. His life was effectively over, he knew it and he’d already tried to off himself once. Occam’s Razor suggests he just made a second go of it and this time he succeeded. I am inclined to believe that he simply killed himself. But, that said, I would say for example that it would be credible - if Manafort was working for the Kremlin - to think that he had to fear getting wacked if he talked. Putin really does send assassins out with radioactive pellets to kill people with. If somehow Epstein could tie back to Trump, Trump is do amazingly good for Russian interests that I wouldn’t find it completely unreasonable for Putin to go for it. But, that said, it is the less likely explanation. And, I think, it would require the involvement of Russian mafia who were in jail to pull off. If the only person who might have had access is a prison guard, Epstein killed himself. (Or the FBI faked his death 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/506 "2019-08-10T23:32:59Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You’re probably right, Tamerlane. The chances of a prison hit are slim, but his death does look at least a wee bit suspicious under the circumstances – more so the timing than any actual physical evidence. Oh, no argument the timing makes it look particularly bad. It’s perfectly sane to have a suspicious feeling about the whole thing :). I just think it is incredibly unlikely. The very fact that the optics are awful will guarantee a lot of attention. And really, the timing makes sense for a suicide as well. This new flood of damning releases is just the sort of thing to make a depressed, doomed abuser decide to give killing himself another try. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/507 "2019-08-10T23:50:31Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Well here let’s look at this statement: Let’s look at reality, er the law. In your opinion, what advantage does making a family member already eligible to be sponsored into the country as a family member into a family member eligible to be sponsoried into the country? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/508 "2019-08-11T00:00:04Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The dude was found a week or 2 ago to have marks on his neck. Is it so unbelievable that he may have been a little ashamed of his deviant sexual practices, and feared that a bunch of humiliating shit was about to hit the fan, and decided to check out? Jaysus. Everybody, yes you, get a grip on yourselves. So he was a high profile suicide risk, yet was taken off suicide watch? Most conspiracies are nonsense with no evidence, but this just sounds like somebody emulating a certain dictator he may be obsessed with’s methods. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/509 "2019-08-11T00:20:16Z")
Well, I can agree with that. That could use a look regardless of how this went down. Why he was taken off the watch is one of the questions that need an honest answer. Good thing our current DOJ is… oh shit, forget honest answers. But It’s still a good question. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/510 "2019-08-11T00:29:14Z")
I very much doubt Trump can tie his shoelaces. He could not organize this. I don’t doubt that Trump was involved in Epstein’s ‘business’ and may have been involved to get girls involved in it in one way or another. Trump modeling agency’s etal? Uh huh. Trump is a stupid fuck that would fall for Epsteins ideas. Trump likes younger women. Trump has be creepy as fuck about his own daughter. it’s not about ‘No bridge is too far’. It’s just what he is. To him, it’s normal. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/511 "2019-08-11T00:43:58Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Let’s look at reality, er the law. In your opinion, what advantage does making a family member already eligible to be sponsored into the country as a family member into a family member eligible to be sponsoried into the country? No idea. Potentially, they just did something dumb because they thought that they needed to do it when, in fact, they didn’t. Or, as I proposed earlier, just to cheat the timetable if they were in a rush and the marriage line was faster than the brother line at the moment… The only thing for which there’s particularly good evidence is that the three of them lived together for a time, not that he’s her brother. It could be more an issue of hiding polygamy than hiding a blood relationship. Or, again, it could be all completely benign. I have not endorsed any one theory as correct. Pointing out questions raised by one theory doesn’t prove nor disprove much of anything because a) sometimes people do questionable things that are illogical, and b) every theory has questions raised. By equal measure: Why did she live with two husbands at the same time? Why did a seemingly smart and organized woman marry a random unemployed guy off the internet, two years her junior, with no job, when she’s either still living with her husband or a single mother of two? Like I said, questionable behavior is there whichever way you go. Unless someone has a theory that doesn’t have any, the presence of it doesn’t serve as evidence for nor against anything. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/512 "2019-08-11T00:50:48Z")
Cue Robert Stack. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/513 "2019-08-11T01:31:30Z")
The marriage line is the same freaking line as the brother line. There is not a marriage line and a brother line; there is an immediate family member line. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/514 "2019-08-11T01:35:51Z")
Did Epstein fuck Omar? If not, may y’all take it to the Omar thread, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/515 "2019-08-11T01:59:05Z")
What the fuck are you people talking about? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/516 "2019-08-11T02:16:45Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Nope, I’m not buying it. The conspiracy theories that is, because by default conspiracy theories are garbage. I simply refuse to be that damn credulous. His life was effectively over, he knew it and he’d already tried to off himself once. Occam’s Razor suggests he just made a second go of it and this time he succeeded. > > This will be investigated to the hilt, simply because it looks hinky as hell. Whatever was going to come out will, eventually, come out. If he really was poisoned/ninja’ed/ strangled with the dark side of the force that will also come out and when real damning evidence of a conspiracy is presented I’ll shake my head and say a mea culpa. But I kinda doubt any of that nonsense is at play. I think he probably killed himself, but for that to occur, there had to be a major fuckup at the jail. Such a fuckup may have been accidental, or it may not have. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![poweroftheglory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@poweroftheglory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/poweroftheglory)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/517 "2019-08-11T02:58:15Z")
It’s hard for some to accept the fact that America is corrupt and we’re ruled by depraved monsters. If the Epstein story happened in Russia, our media would frame it as “symbolic”. Here, we’re assured Epstein “isn’t even a real billionaire” god forbid! ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/518 "2019-08-11T03:49:01Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Nope, I’m not buying it. The conspiracy theories that is, because by default conspiracy theories are garbage. I simply refuse to be that damn credulous. His life was effectively over, he knew it and he’d already tried to off himself once. Occam’s Razor suggests he just made a second go of it and this time he succeeded. > > This will be investigated to the hilt, simply because it looks hinky as hell. Whatever was going to come out will, eventually, come out. If he really was poisoned/ninja’ed/ strangled with the dark side of the force that will also come out and when real damning evidence of a conspiracy is presented I’ll shake my head and say a mea culpa. But I kinda doubt any of that nonsense is at play. Epstein killing himself doesn’t preclude a conspiracy. If someone took him off suicide watch and made sure he had the tools available to kill himself, that would count. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/519 "2019-08-11T03:53:29Z")
Here’s something I haven’t seen mentioned yet, from this article on Yahoo News: [Jeffrey Epstein’s death is a perfect storm for conspiracy theories](https://news.yahoo.com/jeffrey-epstein-death-conspiracy-theories-163046929.html) “Epstein, early in his career, was a protégé of Donald Barr, the father of Attorney General Barr, who hired him to teach at New York’s prestigious Dalton School despite his lack of a college degree.” Apparently AG Barr was “livid” and “appalled” and said his death “raises serious questions that must be answered.” Indeed… ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/520 "2019-08-11T03:57:20Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Epstein killing himself doesn’t preclude a conspiracy. If someone took him off suicide watch and made sure he had the tools available to kill himself, that would count. Someone who has already attempted wouldn’t need much of a verbal nudge to go over the edge. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=27)