# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/561 "2019-08-12T02:17:36Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > It’s likely that Trump will manufacture new outrages to try to push this out of the public eye. But this is a big story. I’m not sure that he will be able to succeed in burying it—even with Barr’s help. Sure he’ll succeed. He’s already started phase 1; BLAME OTHERS AS FAST AS YOU CAN. Get out in front… blame someone… anyone… CLINTON! Ya, that’s the ticket! Trump will muddy the waters, Barr will stifle investigation, and Faux News will carry the water. Trump’s idiot sycophants will fall in line as usual. Nothing will happen. Time to face facts; Trump has now taken over the governing apparatus of the country - I am in serious doubt about the integrity of the coming election. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/562 "2019-08-12T02:35:48Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > AND why his cellmate was removed AND why the normal checks that would take place even for an inmate not on suicide watch, did not take place. > > For those who are trying to sell the idea that this was the result of ordinary jailhouse mistakes: you have a steep hill to climb to explain how so large a set of unlikely events came together. You’re acting like prison suicides never happen in the US. They’re not unprecedented. [https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/04/19/health/prison-suicides-massachusetts-trnd/index.html](https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/04/19/health/prison-suicides-massachusetts-trnd/index.html) That’s a CNN article from two years ago talking about the increasing rate of suicide in American prisons, when Aaron Hernandez killed himself. That upward trend since 2013 is probably not due to an increased number of staged political assassinations. ---
**Author:** ![brossa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brossa/32/3040_2.png) [@brossa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brossa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/563 "2019-08-12T04:09:00Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Others can probably address this with more expertise than me, but I saw a movie or TV show in which a character tied the bed sheet to the bars of the cell, wrapped the other end around his neck and then lowered himself to the ground. You don’t need to ‘hang’ to be strangled; secure a looped sheet to anything stationary, then insert neck through loop and twist your body around and around to tighten the loop, like wringing out a wet rag. Get it tight enough and it blocks venous drainage from the head, which leads to unconsciousness and death. This would work standing up or lying down too. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/564 "2019-08-12T04:30:05Z")
Tomorrow’s headlines will be about finding all evidence shredded except for anything with the words Clinton or Hillary in them. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/565 "2019-08-12T05:04:14Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Tomorrow’s headlines will be about finding all evidence shredded except for anything with the words Clinton or Hillary in them. And Barr will say “the justice department will not rest until we find out which Clinton was responsible for this heinous crime!” ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/566 "2019-08-12T05:15:04Z")
And that’s the thing that gets me. Why don’t they just fucking sue him? Are they waiting for him to lose? If he blamed me, it’d be for $250 million. Defamation 101. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/567 "2019-08-12T07:50:57Z")
He hung himself while not being supervised by staff. Get over it! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/568 "2019-08-12T08:03:02Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > And that’s the thing that gets me. Why don’t they just fucking sue him? Are they waiting for him to lose? If he blamed me, it’d be for $250 million. Defamation 101. Aren’t they all, the dotard and the Clintons, considered “public figures” and thus the slander/libel laws are a bit weaker regarding statemetns made against them? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/569 "2019-08-12T09:17:47Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Aren’t they all, the dotard and the Clintons, considered “public figures” and thus the slander/libel laws are a bit weaker regarding statemetns made against them? Sure. But when we get to the next Orange-loving campaign speech and he blatantly says something like, “Hillary had Epstein killed! A great friend of mine!”, what then? I’m asking because he gets away with saying basically anything. Even if he came out with something surely racist, it’ll get spun and forgotten about. But I really can’t imagine that scenario of spin happening with any previous presidents in my lifetime. (Since Nixon). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/570 "2019-08-12T11:04:53Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Even if he came out with something surely racist, it’ll get spun and forgotten about. What do you mean _if_? He’s come out with plenty of things that are surely racist. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/571 "2019-08-12T16:15:52Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Sure. But when we get to the next Orange-loving campaign speech and he blatantly says something like, “Hillary had Epstein killed! A great friend of mine!”, what then? More likely, “Hillary had Epstein killed! A man I had never even heard of until last week.”, ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/572 "2019-08-12T16:19:10Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > AND why his cellmate was removed AND why the normal checks that would take place even for an inmate not on suicide watch, did not take place. > > For those who are trying to sell the idea that this was the result of ordinary jailhouse mistakes: you have a steep hill to climb to explain how so large a set of unlikely events came together. > > Though Barr will, obviously, seek to cover up the truth, there are still many pieces of information that can (and we hope, will) be discovered by journalists and politicians with standing to demand them. (And litigants with standing, too.) Follow the personnel at the facility: do some appear to have been promoted or financially benefited unexpectedly? Do some meet with accidents? What are the explanations given for the anomalous occurrences (such as that removal from suicide watch)? > > It’s likely that Trump will manufacture new outrages to try to push this out of the public eye. But this is a big story. I’m not sure that he will be able to succeed in burying it—even with Barr’s help. I can believe it was a case of understaffed and disgruntled guards not performing their duties properly over a conspiracy theory. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/573 "2019-08-12T17:32:41Z")
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Not to that the FBI shouldn’t investigate it, but it’s probably simple incompetence or “things falling through the cracks”. And, if it isn’t, it’s reasonable to expect that anyone who could have pulled it off is going to be impossible to find and prove guilty. To a large extent, you’re better off to assume that there’s no conspiracy since, if there was one, you’re never going to get satisfaction from holding that belief. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/574 "2019-08-12T17:35:41Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > AND why his cellmate was removed AND why the normal checks that would take place even for an inmate not on suicide watch, did not take place. > > For those who are trying to sell the idea that this was the result of ordinary jailhouse mistakes: you have a steep hill to climb to explain how so large a set of unlikely events came together. > > Though Barr will, obviously, seek to cover up the truth, there are still many pieces of information that can (and we hope, will) be discovered by journalists and politicians with standing to demand them. (And litigants with standing, too.) Follow the personnel at the facility: do some appear to have been promoted or financially benefited unexpectedly? Do some meet with accidents? What are the explanations given for the anomalous occurrences (such as that removal from suicide watch)? > > It’s likely that Trump will manufacture new outrages to try to push this out of the public eye. But this is a big story. I’m not sure that he will be able to succeed in burying it—even with Barr’s help. Maybe I’m paranoid, but too much about this thing stinks. Not on suicide watch (or was but then wasn’t) “Room mate” removed Protocol not followed regrading surveillance of Epstein (as in look the other way?) I have to wonder if it was suicide, or if he had “assistance”. His death seems too convenient for too many rich and powerful people. It smells like a hit. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/575 "2019-08-12T17:44:50Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Maybe I’m paranoid, but too much about this thing stinks. > > Not on suicide watch (or was but then wasn’t) > “Room mate” removed > Protocol not followed regrading surveillance of Epstein (as in look the other way?) > I have to wonder if it was suicide, or if he had “assistance”. His death seems too convenient for too many rich and powerful people. It smells like a hit. Yeah I’m more open to the idea that there was some kind of conspiracy involved than I normally am. But I still find it unlikely. If there was a conspiracy, it was a guy being paid to look the other way while Epstein hung himself, not a murder faked to look like suicide (I expect that would be too hard to pull off). But like I said before, suicides happen in prison and have been on a recent uptick so a conspiracy isn’t required to explain what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/576 "2019-08-12T18:04:45Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > He hung himself while not being supervised by staff. Get over it! > Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk But why was he not being supervised by staff? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/577 "2019-08-12T18:06:03Z")
Yeah, sometimes prisoners fall through the cracks. But we’re not talking about random drug dealer number 6,792, here. We’re talking about the highest-profile prisoner of the year. There’s no crack big enough for him to fall through. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/578 "2019-08-12T18:08:55Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If there was a conspiracy, it was a guy being paid to look the other way while Epstein hung himself, not a murder faked to look like suicide (I expect that would be too hard to pull off). A conspiracy to passively let Epstein hang him himself is less straightforward (and thus harder to believe) than a conspiracy to murder him. The former puts all the control in Epstein’s hands, and it would require knowing not only he was suicidal but was suicidal at exactly the moment when the guards were told to look the other way. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/579 "2019-08-12T18:16:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yeah, sometimes prisoners fall through the cracks. But we’re not talking about random drug dealer number 6,792, here. We’re talking about the highest-profile prisoner of the year. There’s no crack big enough for him to fall through. Ever seen Trump from the back? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/580 "2019-08-12T18:17:19Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > He hung himself while not being supervised by staff. Get over it! Da, you would say that, tovarish. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=30)