# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/581 "2019-08-12T18:25:35Z")
I am now _so glad_ that Gen-X finally has a conspiracy theory comparable to the JFK assassination. Can’t wait for the _JFK_-esque movie in, oh, 27 years or so. Hope we’ll all be around by then! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/582 "2019-08-12T18:34:14Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > A conspiracy to passively let Epstein hang him himself is less straightforward (and thus harder to believe) than a conspiracy to murder him. The former puts all the control in Epstein’s hands, and it would require knowing not only he was suicidal but was suicidal at exactly the moment when the guards were told to look the other way. They knew he was suicidal given the fact he made a failed attempt before and was put on suicide watch. The situation that caused him to become suicidal (his pending trial and likely conviction) did not change, so it’s likely that he’d try again given the opportunity. I’m curious what reasoning there was for removing him from suicide watch. Was he given counseling and they received an expert opinion that he wouldn’t make a subsequent attempt? That’s the kind of info that I expect to come out later which might explain a bit about what led to this. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/583 "2019-08-12T19:22:59Z")
Has it been established that he hung himself? The initial reports say cause of death was undetermined. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/584 "2019-08-12T19:54:01Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > But why was he not being supervised by staff? Is every inmate supposed to be supervised? It’s prison not daycare. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/585 "2019-08-12T20:00:16Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Has it been established that he hung himself? The initial reports say cause of death was undetermined. I thought I had read that he had, but I must be thinking of his first attempt where he had “self harm” with “bruises around his neck”. So maybe not. Supposedly his cell was under video surveillance so hopefully we’ll get word about what happened: > **[Epstein suicide sparks fresh round of conspiracy theories](https://apnews.com/general-news-united-states-government-362e6ccf61014d7fbaeb35e1b5d793a9)** > > Within hours of Jeffrey Epstein's apparent suicide, social media was filled with conspiracy theories about his death. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/586 "2019-08-12T20:24:03Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > A conspiracy to passively let Epstein hang him himself is less straightforward (and thus harder to believe) than a conspiracy to murder him. The former puts all the control in Epstein’s hands, and it would require knowing not only he was suicidal but was suicidal at exactly the moment when the guards were told to look the other way. Not that hard if either 1) it was Epstein (through an intermediary) that paid people to look the other way or 2) the person who paid people to look the other way, strongly suggested to Epstein that he take the[honorable way out](https://youtu.be/U89DzP8NGM4?t=127). Not saying that this happened but its no more far fetched than that someone murdered him. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/587 "2019-08-12T20:31:31Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Is every inmate supposed to be supervised? It’s prison not daycare. I would expect that every inmate who had previously tried to kill themselves should be given a little more supervision. Did you not know that he’d attempted this a short time ago? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/588 "2019-08-12T20:42:10Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Is every inmate supposed to be supervised? It’s prison not daycare. He was on suicide watch. He was the most endangered prisoner in the United States, based on the dirt he had on powerful people. Yes, he was supposed to be supervised. Are you being intentionally obtuse? ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/589 "2019-08-12T20:43:14Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Not that hard if either 1) it was Epstein (through an intermediary) that paid people to look the other way or 2) the person who paid people to look the other way, strongly suggested to Epstein that he take the[honorable way out](https://youtu.be/U89DzP8NGM4?t=127). Not saying that this happened but its no more far fetched than that someone murdered him. I’d say less far-fetched. If an [eighteen-year-old girl could do it by text,](https://www.npr.org/2019/02/12/693807708/woman-who-provoked-suicidal-boyfriend-via-text-message-begins-prison-sentence) how hard would it be for a prison guard, who has probably seen suicidal inmates before, to do it face to face? ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/590 "2019-08-12T20:46:51Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Is every inmate supposed to be supervised? It’s prison not daycare. Um, yeah. They have guards in towers and watching common areas through windows. When prisoners fight, it’s not like a spat between three-year-olds. And that’s for general population. I assume there’s a higher prisoner-to-guard ratio in the facility that Epstein was kept in. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/591 "2019-08-12T21:06:45Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > Um, yeah. They have guards in towers and watching common areas through windows. When prisoners fight, it’s not like a spat between three-year-olds. And that’s for general population. I assume there’s a higher prisoner-to-guard ratio in the facility that Epstein was kept in. Some talking head/former prosecutor who’s familiar with the facility said last night that Epstein was being held in a wing that is a hallway with all the cells on one side. IIRC, he said, “Like a college dorm hallway with doors only on one side.” He emphasized the layout was to make it easy to monitor the prisoners. FWIW. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/592 "2019-08-12T21:25:57Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > He was on suicide watch. He was the most endangered prisoner in the United States, based on the dirt he had on powerful people. Yes, he was supposed to be supervised. Are you being intentionally obtuse? No, as of July 29 he was taken off suicide watch. > **[Agents descend on Epstein's island home looking for evidence of inner circle:...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attorney-general-barr-epstein-conspirators-rest-easy/story?id=64924045)** > > Jeffrey Epstein was taken off suicide watch July 29, in part, at the urging of his defense attorneys, sources familiar with the decision told ABC News. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/593 "2019-08-12T21:31:30Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > No, as of July 29 he was taken off suicide watch. > [Agents descend on Epstein's island home looking for evidence of inner circle: Sources - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attorney-general-barr-epstein-conspirators-rest-easy/story?id=64924045) And why was that? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/594 "2019-08-12T21:36:04Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And why was that? So Killary’s assassins could get in unnoticed and make it look like a suicide. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/595 "2019-08-12T21:36:37Z")
So he could commit suicide! (Eventually, we’ll have Putin, Hillary, and Barr all accidentally meeting in Epsteins cell that night, ready to off the guy. “You want the first blow?” “‘Ladies first’, as they say in America, no?”) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/596 "2019-08-12T21:55:04Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And why was that? > [@Atamasama](#): > > I’m curious what reasoning there was for removing him from suicide watch. Was he given counseling and they received an expert opinion that he wouldn’t make a subsequent attempt? That’s the kind of info that I expect to come out later which might explain a bit about what led to this. It’s like there’s an echo in here. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/597 "2019-08-12T22:40:03Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And why was that? This is the question, and on who’s orders. This is also where the shit starts rolling downhill. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/598 "2019-08-13T02:10:01Z")
There’s a new article saying that Epstein claimed to have dirt on some techies. > **[Jeffrey Epstein said he had dirt on tech oligarchs: Report](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-said-he-had-dirt-on-tech-oligarchs-report)** > > Convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein claimed to have dirt on prominent people in the technology sector. That reminded me of this particular piece of trivia that I found near-but-unrelated to Trump a while ago: > **[Feds search house of Steve Wynn's brother](https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2004/feb/26/feds-search-house-of-steve-wynns-brother/)** > > Las Vegas executive Kenny Wynn, the brother of casino-hotel magnate Steve Wynn, recently was served with a search warrant at his home in connection with a child pornography investigation, according to law enforcement sources. I can’t seem to find the same information as before but, I think, I read that he did the security system for Wynn’s casinos and worked for or with…IBM or some other big tech company. Probably unrelated to Epstein as well, but… Doesn’t hurt to mention. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/599 "2019-08-13T02:11:17Z")
“ZUCK: DRUGGED AND FUCKED” screams future headlines. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/600 "2019-08-13T02:14:56Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I would expect that every inmate who had previously tried to kill themselves should be given a little more supervision. Especially such a high profile one, that so many rich and powerful people would love to see “removed”. Or, as was said … > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > He was the most endangered prisoner in the United States, based on the dirt he had on powerful people. Yes, he was supposed to be supervised. Are you being intentionally obtuse? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=31)