# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/601 "2019-08-13T02:17:15Z")
And, I suppose, one might note that “massage time” seems to have also been a codeword for Steve Wynn, as well: > **[Second massage therapist files lawsuit against Steve Wynn](https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/second-massage-therapist-files-lawsuit-against-steve-wynn/)** > > Another massage therapist lodged a civil complaint against Steve Wynn and his former company’s board on Thursday, just one day after another massuese made similar allegations of sexual harass... Gotta love koinkidinks. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/602 "2019-08-13T03:42:19Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > > [@Atamasama](#): > > > > No, as of July 29 he was taken off suicide watch. > > [Agents descend on Epstein's island home looking for evidence of inner circle: Sources - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attorney-general-barr-epstein-conspirators-rest-easy/story?id=64924045) > > And why was that? Here [may lie a clue](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/nyregion/epstein-barr.html) \*One of the two people guarding Jeffrey Epstein when he apparently hanged himself in a federal jail cell was not a full-fledged correctional officer … … A New York Times investigation published last year detailed this practice, under which federal prisons are so strapped for correctional officers that they regularly compel teachers, nurses, secretaries and other support staff members to step in. The practice has grown at some prisons as the Trump administration has curtailed the hiring of correctional officers. Many of these staff members only receive a few weeks’ training in correctional work, and, while required by contract to serve as substitutes, are often uncomfortable in the roles. …\* WH negligence left Jeff poorly guarded. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/603 "2019-08-13T03:53:08Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Here [may lie a clue](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/nyregion/epstein-barr.html) > > \*One of the two people guarding Jeffrey Epstein when he apparently hanged himself in a federal jail cell was not a full-fledged correctional officer … > … > > A New York Times investigation published last year detailed this practice, under which federal prisons are so strapped for correctional officers that they regularly compel teachers, nurses, secretaries and other support staff members to step in. The practice has grown at some prisons as the Trump administration has curtailed the hiring of correctional officers. Many of these staff members only receive a few weeks’ training in correctional work, and, while required by contract to serve as substitutes, are often uncomfortable in the roles. …\* > > WH negligence left Jeff poorly guarded. Oh come on. It doesn’t matter how shitty the prison system has got, he’d have been at the top of the pile. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/604 "2019-08-13T03:58:26Z")
Who would have thought a month ago this thread would be questioning how Epstein was taken off suicide watch and allowed to kill himself in prison? ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/605 "2019-08-13T04:24:17Z")
[Raw Story reports that](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/jeffrey-epsteins-lawyers-asked-jail-to-take-him-off-suicide-watch-wsj/) the _Wall Street Journal_ says that Epstein’s attorneys asked for him to be taken off suicide watch. Unfortunately, while Raw Story links to the Journal, the Journal is paywalled and I can’t read the linked article. Anyone have access to it? Suicide watch, as I recall, is pretty degrading and uncomfortable; perhaps that’s why he his attorneys wanted him taken off suicide watch. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/606 "2019-08-13T04:39:40Z")
Right, but according to the NYT piece I linked above, between the trained guard and the fill-in, his observation interval (non-suicide watch) was somewhere between an hour and two hours when it was supposed to be half an hour. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/607 "2019-08-13T13:11:16Z")
And here we go (as predicted by someone above): > [@](#): > > FBI raids Jeffrey Epstein’s private island in ongoing probe after his apparent suicide death > **[FBI raids Jeffrey Epstein’s private island in ongoing probe after his...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2019/08/12/fbi-raids-jeffrey-epsteins-private-island-in-ongoing-probe-after-his-apparent-suicide-death/)** > > More than a dozen FBI agents raided Jeffrey Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean Monday, proving federal investigators are still fishing for evidence in their sex trafficking probe of th… > [@](#): > > “We were sailing directly into the FBI raid. Officers were everywhere. It was pretty nuts,” Capt. Kelly Quinn with Salty Dog Day Sails told the Daily News. > > She said her charter boat was alone in the cove near Epstein’s multimillion-dollar estate on Little St. James, south of St. Thomas, when she noticed the agents about 150 feet away on the dock. > > “They had uniforms with FBI in big, bold yellow letters. They were combing the place, getting in golf carts, marching the perimeter, making their rounds, entering buildings,” she said. My guess is that they’re unlikely to find anything (Epstein might have been scum, but he was pretty smart scum), but it should keep the story churning for awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/608 "2019-08-13T14:08:14Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > There’s a new article saying that Epstein claimed to have dirt on some techies. > > [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-said-he-had-dirt-on-tech-oligarchs-report](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-said-he-had-dirt-on-tech-oligarchs-report) > [@](#): > > **quote from not one of the peachiest of sources:** > Epstein said this stigma did not stop people from confiding in him and even told Stewart that he wanted to become a minister so that they could feel assured their disclosures would remain confidential. Aw cool! Jeffrey in clerical vestments with one of those white thingies at the neckline. Totally satisfying image. I’m sure he would’ve made a fine sounding board for those wanting to confide in him about wanting to boff his teenaged victims. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/609 "2019-08-13T16:22:18Z")
[Users of 4chan found out about Epstein’s death almost an hour before it was announced.](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-investigating-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/610 "2019-08-13T17:39:32Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Users of 4chan found out about Epstein’s death almost an hour before it was announced.](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-investigating-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post) It seems odd that someone would post detailed info about the medical procedures. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/611 "2019-08-13T17:50:24Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Aw cool! Jeffrey in clerical vestments with one of those white thingies at the neckline. Totally satisfying image. I’m sure he would’ve made a fine sounding board for those wanting to confide in him about wanting to boff his teenaged victims. That “white thingy” is called a Roman collar. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/612 "2019-08-13T18:06:34Z")
The FBI and NYPD raided Epstein’s private island, which was rumored to be rife with video cameras. Presumably looking for tapes. > **[Lordy, there are tapes](https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/lordy-there-epstein-tapes/20005/)** > > ... ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/613 "2019-08-13T18:11:02Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The FBI and NYPD raided Epstein’s private island, which was rumored to be rife with video cameras. Presumably looking for tapes. > [Lordy, there are tapes - Palmer Report](https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/lordy-there-epstein-tapes/20005/) …to be greeted by dangling wires and empty cabinets. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/614 "2019-08-13T18:14:36Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Aw cool! Jeffrey in clerical vestments with one of those white thingies at the neckline. Totally satisfying image. I’m sure he would’ve made a fine sounding board for those wanting to confide in him about wanting to boff his teenaged victims. Wonder where he got the idea? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/615 "2019-08-13T18:22:50Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The FBI and NYPD raided Epstein’s private island, which was rumored to be rife with video cameras. Presumably looking for tapes. > [Lordy, there are tapes - Palmer Report](https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/lordy-there-epstein-tapes/20005/) If he was ordering a tile extractor to be sent to his home, FBI will basically need to deconstruct all of his residences to look in the walls, ceiling, floors, etc. They’ll need to dig up all of his lawn, look for any buried cables that go out into the water, etc. If the house wasn’t already turn up, the odds are probably fairly good that there are still hidden videos somewhere. Ideally, some of them will have been hidden before digital media and cryptography came along but my guess would be that Epstein was fairly technical, so they’ll likely need to figure out how to decrypt the files. If everything was already torn up when they got there then, I would assume, the real hunt would be to find any traces of info that might lead them to his new stash point. It’s unlikely that Epstein expected to get caught, let alone get caught and then die. He only needed to be resistant to a search warrant, so far as he would have been concerned. It’s unlikely that he was so careful that you can’t find nearly everything he has once given the freedom to do anything you want, for as long as you want. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/616 "2019-08-13T20:45:52Z")
[2 guards suspended and warden reassigned after Epstein death](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/2-guards-suspended-and-warden-reassigned-after-epstein-death/ar-AAFKE9X?li=BBnb7Kz) > [@](#): > > Two guards assigned to watch Jeffrey Epstein the night he apparently killed himself in jail have been placed on leave and the warden has been removed as federal authorities investigate the financier’s death, the Justice Department said Tuesday. > [@](#): > > One of Epstein’s guards the night he took his own life was not a regular correctional officer, one of those familiar with the case said. > > Serene Gregg, president of the American Federation of Government Employees Local 3148, told The Washington Post that one of the guards was a fill-in who had been pressed into service because of staffing shortages. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/617 "2019-08-13T21:30:10Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Users of 4chan found out about Epstein’s death almost an hour before it was announced.](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-investigating-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post) Surprised it was not TMZ, they seem to break stories before others such as Michael Jackson’s death. They have lots of sources all over. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/618 "2019-08-13T23:46:30Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [2 guards suspended and warden reassigned after Epstein death](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/2-guards-suspended-and-warden-reassigned-after-epstein-death/ar-AAFKE9X?li=BBnb7Kz) I’m sure the Trump administration will take this investigation of mismanagement in a federal prison all the way up to the middle. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/619 "2019-08-14T05:33:40Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > …to be greeted by dangling wires and empty cabinets. > > 😉 Which would be done by … whom? Ghislaine Maxwell, perhaps? She does stand to get reamed, here, but how much could she torch? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/620 "2019-08-14T08:54:56Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m sure the Trump administration will take this investigation of mismanagement in a federal prison all the way up to the middle. That would be a change in direction for them, what with their careering to the bottom every bloody day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=32)