# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/621 "2019-08-14T15:34:17Z")
[Jeffrey Epstein Death: 2 Guards Slept Through Checks and Falsified Records](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jeffrey-epstein-death-warden-and-2-guards-at-jail-are-removed/ar-AAFKO2X) > [@](#): > > The two staff members who were guarding the jail unit where Jeffrey Epstein apparently killed himself fell asleep and failed to check on him for about three hours, then falsified records to cover up their mistake, according to several law enforcement and prison officials with knowledge of the matter. The guards fell asleep. That reminds me of something… Anyhoo, I am starting to think of a conspiracy theory. Epstein is not dead. That was not his body they found in the cell, but the body of someone with a similar look. The guards ‘slept’ as Epstein was whisked away and a body brought in. There will be a cursory autopsy. No DNA test. The ‘time of death’ will be smudged on the report. Epstein is being transported to island, the one just ‘searched’ and abandoned by the FBI. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/622 "2019-08-14T15:40:47Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Surprised it was not TMZ, they seem to break stories before others such as Michael Jackson’s death. They have lots of sources all over. I’m assuming one of the guards or EMT’s is a poster. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/623 "2019-08-14T18:09:12Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Jeffrey Epstein Death: 2 Guards Slept Through Checks and Falsified Records](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jeffrey-epstein-death-warden-and-2-guards-at-jail-are-removed/ar-AAFKO2X) > The guards fell asleep. That reminds me of something… > Anyhoo, I am starting to think of a conspiracy theory. Epstein is not dead. That was not his body they found in the cell, but the body of someone with a similar look. The guards ‘slept’ as Epstein was whisked away and a body brought in. There will be a cursory autopsy. No DNA test. The ‘time of death’ will be smudged on the report. Epstein is being transported to island, the one just ‘searched’ and abandoned by the FBI. Either that, or “Joseph Eberhousen” becomes the newest resident of Cody, WY. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/624 "2019-08-14T19:22:14Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Either that, or “Joseph Eberhousen” becomes the newest resident of Cody, WY. I hope somebody warns the junior high schools in Cody. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/625 "2019-08-14T20:02:53Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Jeffrey Epstein Death: 2 Guards Slept Through Checks and Falsified Records](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jeffrey-epstein-death-warden-and-2-guards-at-jail-are-removed/ar-AAFKO2X) > The guards fell asleep. That reminds me of something… > Anyhoo, I am starting to think of a conspiracy theory. Epstein is not dead. That was not his body they found in the cell, but the body of someone with a similar look. The guards ‘slept’ as Epstein was whisked away and a body brought in. There will be a cursory autopsy. No DNA test. The ‘time of death’ will be smudged on the report. Epstein is being transported to island, the one just ‘searched’ and abandoned by the FBI. I actually saw a meme that the body was Hillary’s brother’s and not Epstein’s. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/626 "2019-08-14T23:16:47Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Either that, or “Joseph Eberhousen” becomes the newest resident of Cody, WY. > [@Steve\_McQwark](#): > > I hope somebody warns the junior high schools in Cody. Or they could just settle “Joseph” in Gadsden, Alabama, home of Roy Moore, where the junior high schools are already on alert. ---
**Author:** ![poweroftheglory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@poweroftheglory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/poweroftheglory)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/627 "2019-08-15T00:14:08Z")
We’re literally destroying our planet all so that a few hundred people can have enough wealth and influence to fuck all the children they want without consequence. ---
**Author:** ![Kimera757](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimera757/32/3765_2.png) [@Kimera757](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimera757)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/628 "2019-08-15T01:23:59Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > The guards fell asleep. That reminds me of something… The guards must be lazy… I guess this is technically a conspiracy theory, as it only involved two overworked guards. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/629 "2019-08-15T02:18:23Z")
“The day Epstein won the Powerball lottery in NM, there was a “computer malfunction” that prevented the usual televised broadcast of the drawing the winning numbers. **Democrat NM Governor Bill Richardson** was an Epstein pedo client.” [https://twitter.com/Trader\_Moe/status/1161410151305236482](https://twitter.com/Trader_Moe/status/1161410151305236482) Curious. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/630 "2019-08-15T02:29:51Z")
What proof is there that he ever won the Powerball lottery? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/631 "2019-08-15T02:30:06Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > “The day Epstein won the Powerball lottery in NM, there was a “computer malfunction” that prevented the usual televised broadcast of the drawing the winning numbers. **Democrat NM Governor Bill Richardson** was an Epstein pedo client.” > > [https://twitter.com/Trader\_Moe/status/1161410151305236482](https://twitter.com/Trader_Moe/status/1161410151305236482) > > Curious. Not really, except perhaps to birdbrained conspiracy theorists who can’t be bothered to use Google. [Jeffrey Epstein did not win a 2008 Powerball lottery.](https://www.accountingtoday.com/articles/more-questions-about-how-jeffrey-epstein-got-island-owning-rich) > [@](#): > > In August 2008, shortly after Epstein began his 13-month prison sentence in Florida, an entity called the Zorro Trust submitted the winning ticket for an $85 million jackpot. The ticket had been bought at a convenience store in Altus, Oklahoma. (The trust took the money as a lump sum, which came to $29.3 million after taxes.) > > As it happens, Epstein had an entity called the Zorro Trust; he used it to make donations to politicians in New Mexico, where he had a ranch called — yep — the Zorro Ranch. (A federal prosecutor in New Mexico has begun an investigation into whether Epstein abused underage girls at his ranch.) > > A few years ago, a lawyer representing some alleged victims took the prospect of Epstein winning the lottery seriously enough that he brought it up during a deposition with Epstein’s former pilot. But the Oklahoma City newspaper, the Oklahoman, did a little more digging and discovered that the anonymous winner worked in a grocery store across the street from the convenience store where the winning ticket was sold. Apparently, she decided to use the same name for her trust as Epstein did for his. > > Not everything’s a mystery. Sometimes, it’s just a coincidence. I see the birdbrained conspiracy theorist you quoted has also managed to mix up Oklahoma, where the “Zorro Trust” Powerball winning ticket was actually purchased, with New Mexico, where Epstein’s organization also called “Zorro Trust” was active with political donations. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/632 "2019-08-15T02:30:49Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > “The day Epstein won the Powerball lottery in NM, there was a “computer malfunction” that prevented the usual televised broadcast of the drawing the winning numbers. **Democrat NM Governor Bill Richardson** was an Epstein pedo client.” > > [https://twitter.com/Trader\_Moe/status/1161410151305236482](https://twitter.com/Trader_Moe/status/1161410151305236482) > > Curious. > **[Inquisitr- News, Politics, Kardashians, Reality TV & Celebrity](https://www.inquisitr.com/)** > > Quality news and entertainment stories relevant to readers worldwide. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/633 "2019-08-15T03:00:11Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > “The day Epstein won the Powerball lottery in NM, there was a “computer malfunction” that prevented the usual televised broadcast of the drawing the winning numbers. **Democrat NM Governor Bill Richardson** was an Epstein pedo client.” > > [https://twitter.com/Trader\_Moe/status/1161410151305236482](https://twitter.com/Trader_Moe/status/1161410151305236482) > > Curious. Jesus, even by the standards of nutjob right wing bullshit, this is weak. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/634 "2019-08-15T04:22:35Z")
How hard do you have to hang yourself for this? > [@](#): > > Autopsy finds broken bones in Jeffrey Epstein’s neck, deepening questions around his death [https://t.co/81Pj7KuT0g](https://t.co/81Pj7KuT0g) ““Among the bones broken in his neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they’re more common in victims of homicide by strangulation.”” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/635 "2019-08-15T04:42:51Z")
Further… “In a study of suicidal hangings of young-adults and middle-aged people in India, conducted from 2010 to 2013, hyoid damage was found in just 16 of 264 cases, or six percent.” Guy is a member of the 1%. He hung himself in a manner in which only 6% of those hung have the same injuries. .05% of all federal prisoners suicide. Multiply that out and Jeffry is a very lucky man indeed - Im tired and it’s late, but I think he beat .0000003% odds. How about that! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/636 "2019-08-15T04:54:28Z")
Epstein’s body has been claimed by an “unidentified associate.” As gthe next of kin, shouldn’t it have been his brother who claimed his body? > **[Jeffrey Epstein's body claimed by unidentified 'associate'](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jeffrey-epstein-s-body-claimed-unidentified-associate-n1042551)** > > Epstein was found dead by apparent suicide Saturday morning. Multiple sources said he wasn't on suicide watch. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/637 "2019-08-15T04:59:26Z")
“Yo! I’m here for the stiff! … what’s that? Yeah, yeah… his bruddah. That’s who I am, his bruddah… ‘Carmine Epstein’, gotta problem wit tat?.. ‘ID’? Don’t be a fookin’ wise guy, eh? Now go get my bruddah!” ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/638 "2019-08-15T05:20:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > How hard do you have to hang yourself for this? > > [https://wapo.st/31E8VeM](https://t.co/81Pj7KuT0g) > > ““Among the bones broken in his neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they’re more common in victims of homicide by strangulation.”” Interesting. I JUST finished reading a bestselling suspense novel about a string of serial murders disguised as suicides where this was the major plot point. As I read it, I thought “What if they found a broken hyoid bone in Epstein’s neck?”. Well, I guess we’re going to find out. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/639 "2019-08-15T05:44:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > How hard do you have to hang yourself for this? > > [https://wapo.st/31E8VeM](https://t.co/81Pj7KuT0g) > > ““Among the bones broken in his neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they’re more common in victims of homicide by strangulation.”” I honestly cannot remember if I’ve ever seen a picture of the bloke. Was he portly? I can see that if he was a bit larger than your average guy, then the weight could do that. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/640 "2019-08-15T06:24:07Z")
Has it been determined that he hanged himself? Elsewhere in the thread a technique has been mentioned that involved placing a loop of material that’s been fastened to a stationary object — a sink, for instance — around one’s neck and twisting until it tightens enough to cut off the air supply. Essentially, auto-garotting. If this were the case, it would seem that damage to the hyoid bone may be present. Just speculation, of course. But it seems to me that hyoid bone damage and suicide are not necessarily mutually exclusive [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=33)