# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/641 "2019-08-15T06:34:27Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Epstein’s body has been claimed by an “unidentified associate.” Some guy named John Barron. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/642 "2019-08-15T06:39:07Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I honestly cannot remember if I’ve ever seen a picture of the bloke. Was he portly? I can see that if he was a bit larger than your average guy, then the weight could do that. 182 pounds according to his mugshot. Not overly heavy for a six foot tall man. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/643 "2019-08-15T06:44:41Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I honestly cannot remember if I’ve ever seen a picture of the bloke. Was he portly? I can see that if he was a bit larger than your average guy, then the weight could do that. I’m not sure how tall he was and all photos that I’ve seen had him in fairly thick/baggy clothing but, in the photos I saw, he looked like he was fairly buff with a bit of gut. If you’ve seen Stallone these days, I’d guess a pretty similar physique. (Apologies to Sylvester Stallone for using him as a comparison to the pedo creep. I am purely talking about body shape. No other comparison is intended.) ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/644 "2019-08-15T14:42:53Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Not really, except perhaps to birdbrained conspiracy theorists who can’t be bothered to use Google. [Jeffrey Epstein did not win a 2008 Powerball lottery.](https://www.accountingtoday.com/articles/more-questions-about-how-jeffrey-epstein-got-island-owning-rich) > I see the birdbrained conspiracy theorist you quoted has also managed to mix up Oklahoma, where the “Zorro Trust” Powerball winning ticket was actually purchased, with New Mexico, where Epstein’s organization also called “Zorro Trust” was active with political donations. My bad. I should have checked other sources before posting. This undermines the actual investigation into Epstein and his crimes and those who were involved in the sexual abuse of underage girls. It allows Epstein’s apologists to dismiss anyone who wants the truth. Who knows? Maybe the part of the conspiracy is to disseminate false information, let people promote it, and the discredit any and all valid accusations? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/645 "2019-08-15T15:10:03Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > My bad. I should have checked other sources before posting. This undermines the actual investigation into Epstein and his crimes and those who were involved in the sexual abuse of underage girls. It allows Epstein’s apologists to dismiss anyone who wants the truth. Who knows? Maybe the part of the conspiracy is to disseminate false information, let people promote it, and the discredit any and all valid accusations? Dude, you’re not supposed to read your job description out loud. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/646 "2019-08-15T15:10:05Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > My bad. I should have checked other sources before posting. This undermines the actual investigation into Epstein and his crimes and those who were involved in the sexual abuse of underage girls. It allows Epstein’s apologists to dismiss anyone who wants the truth. Who knows? Maybe the part of the conspiracy is to disseminate false information, let people promote it, and the discredit any and all valid accusations? Or…there are stupid people on Twitter. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/647 "2019-08-15T16:09:43Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Has it been determined that he hanged himself? Elsewhere in the thread a technique has been mentioned that involved placing a loop of material that’s been fastened to a stationary object — a sink, for instance — around one’s neck and twisting until it tightens enough to cut off the air supply. Essentially, auto-garotting. If this were the case, it would seem that damage to the hyoid bone may be present. > > Just speculation, of course. But it seems to me that hyoid bone damage and suicide are not necessarily mutually exclusive Yes, he was found hanging in his cell according to the NY Post. > **[Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself with prison bedsheet: source](https://nypost.com/2019/08/12/jeffrey-epstein-hanged-himself-with-prison-bedsheet-source/)** > > The convicted pedophile apparently, who was 6 feet tall, killed himself by kneeling toward the floor and strangling himself with the makeshift noose, a law enforcement source said Monday. \*”Jeffrey Epstein was found hanging in his lower Manhattan jail cell with a bedsheet wrapped around his neck and secured to the top of a bunk bed, The Post has learned. The convicted pedophile, who was 6 feet tall, apparently killed himself by kneeling toward the floor and strangling himself with the makeshift noose, law enforcement sources said Monday. He hadn’t been checked on for several hours, sources said.”\* Note this isn’t the classic hanging scenario, where you’re hanging from above like a hangman’s noose. The sheet was tied to the top of a bunk bed. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/648 "2019-08-15T16:28:36Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > My bad. I should have checked other sources before posting. This undermines the actual investigation into Epstein and his crimes and those who were involved in the sexual abuse of underage girls. Well said. It is never helpful to disseminate unsubstantiated gossip about anyone involved in an ongoing scandal or controversy (or anyone else, for that matter). It merely deflects attention from what needs to be investigated. > [@LAZombie](#): > > It allows Epstein’s apologists to dismiss anyone who wants the truth. Who knows? Maybe the part of the conspiracy is to disseminate false information, let people promote it, and the discredit any and all valid accusations? :rolleyes: Oh FFS. Immediately after acknowledging that it’s counterproductive and distracting to muddy the waters of an ongoing investigation with unsubstantiated gossip, you jump right to manufacturing and disseminating **more** unsubstantiated gossip about it. And you’re going to have to provide a cite for your claim that anybody at all is an “apologist” for Epstein or is trying to discredit any valid accusations against him. AFAICT, if there’s one thing that everybody across the political spectrum seems completely agreed on, it’s that the late Jeffrey Epstein was a pedophilic piece of shit whose disreputable activities are going to taint a lot of people associated with him. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/649 "2019-08-15T22:09:45Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Some guy named John Barron. Froderick Fronkensteen or something. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/650 "2019-08-15T23:35:43Z")
I ran across this AP article: > **[For inmates like Epstein, suicide watch is meant to be short](https://apnews.com/6bd16a2216664ca1bf8eabbfebc72c7c)** > > NEW YORK (AP) — Suicide is such a constant concern at federal jails that guards have ready access to "the stick," a wooden pole with a sharpened blade at the end that's used to cut down inmates if they try to hang themselves with bedsheets. Basically, Epstein was not taken off suicide watch prematurely. On the contrary, he was on it twice as long as usual. When you are on suicide watch, your bedsheets and normal prison clothes are taken away and replaced by a heavy blanket and clothes that rip easily (so that they make bad materials for hanging). You are only given finger foods because you can’t have utensils. The lights are on constantly, even at night. You are not allowed to shower, exercise, or have visitors or phone calls, and you are only let out of your cell an hour a day. It’s torturous and prisoners are rarely kept on it longer than 3 days. From what I can tell, he was kept on it for up to a week. So there was no chance of him being on prolonged suicide watch. It’s something done to a prisoner in cases of acute suicidal actions and for short periods of time. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/651 "2019-08-16T04:52:42Z")
Is Ghsilaine Maxwell in Paris? Or Boston? Or at a fast food restaurant in Los Angeles? > **[Jeffrey Epstein’s ‘Madam’ Ghislaine Maxwell Spotted at In-N-Out Burger](https://www.thedailybeast.com/ghislaine-maxwell-where-in-the-world-is-jeffrey-epsteins-girlfriend)** > > The global hunt for Epstein's former gal pal ranged from Massachusetts to France—until a shutterbug snapped a picture of her eating a burger in California. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/652 "2019-08-16T21:25:58Z")
officially ruled a suicide [Jeffrey Epstein's cause of death was suicide by hanging, law enforcement officials say | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/16/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/653 "2019-08-16T21:41:25Z")
By the way, upthread people wondered how he could have committed suicide in a jail cell. The New York Times article on the medical examiner ruling says, “He appeared to have tied a bedsheet to the top of a set of bunk beds, then knelt toward the floor with enough force that he broke several bones in his neck, officials said.” ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/654 "2019-08-16T21:44:49Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > officially ruled a suicide > > [https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/16/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/16/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy/index.html) Were we expecting _The Illuminati_ to tell their minion to say otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/655 "2019-08-16T22:59:51Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > By the way, upthread people wondered how he could have committed suicide in a jail cell. The New York Times article on the medical examiner ruling says, “He appeared to have tied a bedsheet to the top of a set of bunk beds, then knelt toward the floor with enough force that he broke several bones in his neck, officials said.” So just like the NY Post said. I’d expected them to get some detail wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/656 "2019-08-16T23:06:34Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > By the way, upthread people wondered how he could have committed suicide in a jail cell. The New York Times article on the medical examiner ruling says, “He appeared to have tied a bedsheet to the top of a set of bunk beds, then knelt toward the floor with enough force that he broke several bones in his neck, officials said.” “Knelt with force”…really? When you think about it, it becomes less plausible. I know self-strangulation is possible with the scenario that’s been described. But the broken bones still seem…a stretch. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/657 "2019-08-16T23:33:59Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > “Knelt with force”…really? > > When you think about it, it becomes less plausible. > > I know self-strangulation is possible with the scenario that’s been described. But the broken bones still seem (puts on sunglasses) > [@Sherrerd](#): > > …a stretch. _YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!_ ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/658 "2019-08-16T23:51:04Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > (puts on sunglasses) > _YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!_ Fine. But if “knelt with force” doesn’t become A Thing, I’ll be very surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/659 "2019-08-17T00:14:07Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > “Knelt with force”…really? > > When you think about it, it becomes less plausible. > > I know self-strangulation is possible with the scenario that’s been described. But the broken bones still seem…a stretch. I assume “knelt quickly”, as opposed to kneeling slowly. You could jump first or just let your knees go instantly slack to fall downward quickly. Kneeling slowly would just strangle you. Again that’s my interpretation on what they meant, I’m not a doctor or forensic scientist or anything. This article discusses it: > **[Jeffrey Epstein's Broken Hyoid Neck Bone: How Common Is It?](https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-hyoid-bone-broken-neck/)** > > Jeffrey Epstein's hyoid bone was broken in his neck, according to the Washington Post. How common is this in hangings and suicides versus strangulation? An article on the mechanics of hanging: > **[How Does Death by Hanging Work?](https://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/death-dying/death-by-hanging.htm)** > > Hanging, when carried out with modern techniques, can be one of the quickest and most painless ways to be executed. But not all hangings are designed that way. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/660 "2019-08-17T00:32:06Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > “Knelt with force”…really? > > When you think about it, it becomes less plausible. > > I know self-strangulation is possible with the scenario that’s been described. But the broken bones still seem…a stretch. Chris Cornell killed himself in a similar manner, IIRC. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=34)