# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/681 "2019-08-20T15:38:44Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > An interesting twist: > > [Jeffrey Epstein signed new will just two days before he died.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jeffrey-epstein-signed-new-will-just-two-days-he-died-n1044176) > > :dubious: > > I heard elsewhere that this trust is in theory shielded from civil actions from former victims of Epstein. If so, this could have been the final fuck-you before taking The Easy Way Out. I don’t find this suspicious in the least, I think it just adds on to his legacy as a major asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/682 "2019-08-20T17:42:23Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > An interesting twist: > > [Jeffrey Epstein signed new will just two days before he died.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jeffrey-epstein-signed-new-will-just-two-days-he-died-n1044176) > > :dubious: > > I heard elsewhere that this trust is in theory shielded from civil actions from former victims of Epstein. If so, this could have been the final fuck-you before taking The Easy Way Out. Any mention of to whom he bequeathed his extensive video library? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/683 "2019-08-20T20:28:26Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The bit about access is a sticky point. For that to have happened, there had to be collusion with MCC staff/security. Collusion is almost never leakproof, which is where most CTs topple over. I’m on team suicide but, it should be noted that the drug trade is possibly a half a trillion dollars business, worldwide. And if you figure that the mafia/cartel groups who run it also have gambling, girls, arms, and probably some other income sources, then even if you subdivide the business out over a few different organizations, you’re looking at some groups with the ability to finance NASA and the CIA. Bribing a guard is unlikely to be a success. A pretty large number of people can’t murder another person. And, as said, even just bribing someone to shut off or break a camera is fairly likely to leak. But if you’re a multi-billion dollar business that needs to be resistant to leaks then sending a loyal worker to go take a job at a Federal prison, to be ready to intercept and deal with likely snitches could well be worth doing. The ROI could be fairly high (I don’t know that it is, since I don’t know how common this sort of case would be nor the level of information liable to be at risk from the capture of someone on US soil and nor do I know if there are a small enough number if prisons worth targeting for it to be with doing). In this sort of case, though, you’re really looking at a professional hitman, loyal to his boss. It’s no more a conspiracy than it is for a CIA agent to go chat up someone at a bar. It’s just the job. It’s relatively unlikely but, if we’re pre-supposing wealthy, connected criminals, then we’re not dealing with street corner drug dealers with an IQ of 65. You’re talking people who might know someone criminal, who are the sort to think about building sonar-resistant submarines: > **[Narco-submarine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco-submarine)** > > A narco-submarine (also called a drug sub or narco-sub) is a type of custom ocean-going, self-propelled, semi-submersible or fully-submersible vessel built by (or for) drug smugglers. > Newer semi-submersibles are "nearly-fully" submersible in order to reduce likelihood of detection by visual, radar, sonar, or infrared systems. Cargo capacity varies widely with vessel size, although several tons is typical. In 2015, the largest-known cargo of 7.7 tonnes (17,000 lb) was seized on a semi-submersi... Dealing with global mafia is more like countering an enemy foreign power with a trained (small) military force, possibly trained spies and moles, and an R&D unit equivalent to someplace like the military and intelligence forces of Guatemala. Mexico would possibly lose to their cartels if it wasn’t for American aid. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/684 "2019-08-21T03:20:01Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > “Knelt with force”…really? > > When you think about it, it becomes less plausible. _The Phantom Menace_ was released during Clinton’s presidency. Coincidence? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/685 "2019-08-21T03:22:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > _The Phantom Menace_ was released during Clinton’s presidency. Coincidence? Meesa say yes. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/686 "2019-08-21T06:59:30Z")
From NBC News: > **[Epstein preyed on women during jail sentence, forced victim to marry woman,...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jeffrey-epstein-preyed-women-during-jail-sentence-forced-victim-marry-n1044641)** > > Three lawsuits allege a complex web of companies employing "disciples" who saw to it that Epstein's sexual desires were met. > [@](#): > > Among the allegations is that Epstein arranged to have one of the women marry another woman so the woman could get permanent U.S. residence allowing her to stay in the country. One of the suits allege that Epstein continued to have sex with underage girls while he was on work release serving a Florida jail sentence under the watch of sheriff’s deputies. > … > The most explosive allegations are detailed in the third suit, filed by Katlyn Doe, which claims that Epstein blackmailed her when she was 17 to have sex with him by promising to pay for expensive surgery she needed and then threatening to see to it that she would never get treatment if she refused. > … > “The main and in many instances only function of each of the associates who acted at the instruction or direction of Epstein was to recruit, entice, harbor, transport, provide, obtain, maintain, or solicit young females, knowing that fraud or coercion would be used to cause each female, including Plaintiff, to engage in a commercial sex act,” according to the suit filed by Priscilla Doe. > > “This team of individuals included chefs, butlers, receptionists, schedulers, secretaries, flight attendants, pilots, housekeepers, maids, sex recruiters, drivers and other staff members,” it says. > **[Epstein preyed on women during jail sentence, forced victim to marry woman,...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jeffrey-epstein-preyed-women-during-jail-sentence-forced-victim-marry-n1044641)** > > Three lawsuits allege a complex web of companies employing "disciples" who saw to it that Epstein's sexual desires were met. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/687 "2019-08-21T18:03:39Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > An interesting twist: > > [Jeffrey Epstein signed new will just two days before he died.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jeffrey-epstein-signed-new-will-just-two-days-he-died-n1044176) > > :dubious: > > I heard elsewhere that this trust is in theory shielded from civil actions from former victims of Epstein. If so, this could have been the final fuck-you before taking The Easy Way Out. _Two witnesses signed affidavits declaring that Epstein “signed it willingly” and that he was “of sound mind and under no constraint or undue influence” at the time._ And he offed himself two days later. In jail. I think that fact invalidates the claims of the witnesses, and thus the will itself. Unless the suicide conclusion by the ME can be disproven. Who would bear the burden of proof here? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/688 "2019-08-21T18:37:57Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > _Two witnesses signed affidavits declaring that Epstein “signed it willingly” and that he was “of sound mind and under no constraint or undue influence” at the time._ > > And he offed himself two days later. In jail. I think that fact invalidates the claims of the witnesses, and thus the will itself. > > Unless the suicide conclusion by the ME can be disproven. Who would bear the burden of proof here? I guess you are assuming committing suicide means he wasn’t of sound mind? I think in his position, if he knew he was going down that he may have rationally preferred death. And even if he offed himself because of depression, it could have had a sudden onset. And it isn’t like he did something odd with his will - it sounds pretty standard. Wonder what the previous one did with his assets? ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/689 "2019-08-21T18:45:03Z")
For anyone doubting the method he used, it seems pretty similar to the recent death of fashion designer Kate Spade. Last year she committed suicide by hanging herself from a scarf tied to a doorknob. The distance from a top bunk to the floor is probably twice the distance of a doorknob to a floor. It definitely seems feasible that he could have done it the same way. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/690 "2019-08-21T20:12:27Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > From NBC News: > [Jeffrey Epstein preyed on women during jail sentence, forced victim to marry woman, lawsuits allege](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jeffrey-epstein-preyed-women-during-jail-sentence-forced-victim-marry-n1044641) > > [Jeffrey Epstein preyed on women during jail sentence, forced victim to marry woman, lawsuits allege](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jeffrey-epstein-preyed-women-during-jail-sentence-forced-victim-marry-n1044641) There’s a suspicious number of Does involved in this case. Makes you wonder. :dubious: d&r ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/691 "2019-08-22T00:41:01Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > For anyone doubting the method he used, it seems pretty similar to the recent death of fashion designer Kate Spade. Last year she committed suicide by hanging herself from a scarf tied to a doorknob. The distance from a top bunk to the floor is probably twice the distance of a doorknob to a floor. It definitely seems feasible that he could have done it the same way. Again, the issue is _not_ a question of whether self-hanging can be done in this way. We know from many instances that it can. The issue is whether a broken bone is common in such situations. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/692 "2019-08-23T05:15:13Z")
A (quite telling) aside: After his hellish 2008 Club Fed ordeal, Mr. Child Fucker commissioned a mural of himself in a prison scene. [ > [@](#): > > After thirteen months, Epstein was released. At his mansion in New York, he had a mural painted of himself in jail, telling visitors that it was a reminder that he could always go back. ]([Alan Dershowitz, Devil’s Advocate | The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate)) And from [Business Insider:](https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-prison-scene-painting-new-york-mansion-2019-7) > [@](#): > > The mural, which hung on the second floor of his seven-story house in New York, portrayed Epstein behind barbed wire and between a guard station and a corrections officer, public relations employee R. Couri Hay said to The New York Times. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/693 "2019-08-23T06:36:48Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > There’s a suspicious number of Does involved in this case. Makes you wonder. :dubious: > > d&r Those names are aliases used to protect the privacy of the victims. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/694 "2019-08-23T07:35:54Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > There’s a suspicious number of Does involved in this case. Makes you wonder. :dubious: > > d&r I guess that means Epstein was a Buck? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/695 "2019-08-23T11:16:17Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Those names are aliases used to protect the privacy of the victims. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/696 "2019-08-23T13:58:50Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Duh. Curious, then, why you wondered. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/697 "2019-08-23T14:03:59Z")
I believe his d&r means duck and run. Whoosh! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/698 "2019-08-23T17:21:00Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Curious, then, why you wondered. The only conclusion I can draw is that it’s suspicious how victims are having their identities protected. Something seems fishy there! I guess. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/699 "2019-08-23T19:57:25Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The only conclusion I can draw is that it’s suspicious how victims are having their identities protected. Something seems fishy there! > > I guess. If they are testifying and providing evidence and are afraid of being “silenced”, then it makes sense. A lot of very rich and very powerful people could be implicated, and “accidents” can be “arranged”. That’s why we have a Witness Protection system. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/700 "2019-08-23T20:39:54Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > If they are testifying and providing evidence and are afraid of being “silenced”, then it makes sense. A lot of very rich and very powerful people could be implicated, and “accidents” can be “arranged”. > > That’s why we have a Witness Protection system. I would think so as well, I’m not sure what anyone would find suspicious about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=36)