# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/61 "2019-07-08T16:34:20Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What does that have to do with Trump supporting Clinton? Nothing. He’s tap dancing as fast as he can: _‘Look Ma’, no hands!’_ ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/62 "2019-07-08T16:38:57Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What does that have to do with Trump supporting Clinton? It was in reference to Dershowitz being called an “A-List” Trump apologist. Kind of a misleading characterization of a Biden supporter. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/63 "2019-07-08T16:41:21Z")
Are you trying to challenge **adaher** for his title? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/64 "2019-07-08T16:53:09Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > It was in reference to Dershowitz being called an “A-List” Trump apologist. So Dershowitz is not to be trusted because he supported Clinton, but Trump can be trusted even though he supported Clinton? You can’t have it both ways. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/65 "2019-07-08T17:44:36Z")
The guy seems like a pedophile. I hope he doesn’t walk the streets again and if his trial exposes some powerful political figures, let it be so. I don’t care who they are, if they cavorted around with this guy and his underage girls they need to be held to account. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/66 "2019-07-08T18:37:52Z")
> [@willfarnaby](#): > > t was in reference to Dershowitz being called an “A-List” Trump apologist. Kind of a misleading characterization of a Biden supporter. What a dishonest, bullshit statement. Alan Dershowitz absolutely IS a Trump apologist, and you know it. He’s been serving as a Trump apologist in print and on TV for a long time now, so much so that he bitches about liberals not inviting him to parties anymore. He has appeared on TV to serve as a Trump apologist more times than I can count. He’s a more fervent Trump legal defender than some lawyers Trump has actually employed to defend him. He _admits_ to being a Trump apologist. He’s whined that it’s harder on him that defendng OJ. There is no reason Dershowitz can’t claim to be a Biden supporter, or criticize any number of Trump positions or policies, and still be a Trump apologist. If you’re going to try to bullshit people, at least make an effort. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/67 "2019-07-08T18:44:48Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > … as I am a libertarian that should not be a surprise. What?! How am I only hearing about this just now?! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/68 "2019-07-08T18:50:49Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The guy seems like a pedophile. I hope he doesn’t walk the streets again and if his trial exposes some powerful political figures, let it be so. I don’t care who they are, if they cavorted around with this guy and his underage girls they need to be held to account. I disagree; he doesn’t seem like a pedophile, he absolutely **is** one. Reading the different articles that quote investigators and witnesses/victims, there’s an overwhelming amount of evidence against him, and he quite clearly has a “type”. And that type is prepubescent/barely-pubescent girls. The anecdote from the young woman that was rejected because her “breasts were too large” seemed pretty telling on its own; he clearly wanted young girls who _looked_ like young girls. That’s definitely pedophilia. I do agree that he needs to be locked up forever to keep him away from kids and that others who covered for him and helped him also need to pay. (I don’t include the minors he exploited to recruit others, they were victims.) ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/69 "2019-07-08T18:59:16Z")
Once again you are weirdly right and wrong at the same time. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Dershowitz is not a Trump supporter. I believe he supported Clinton. If “Trump supporter” means “supported candidate Trump, or the policies of president Trump”, then you are correct. Dershowitz has never been a Trump supporter. In fact he’s on record [unambiguously self-identifying as a liberal democrat](https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/863435874771636225). What he’s consistently been is an obsessive devil’s advocate defense attorney. He has defended some pretty scummy people. He gets cable news appearances for doing that, hence it’s no surprise that he latched onto the highest-profile, scummiest criminal ever. This makes him de facto Trump’s biggest legal apologist who doesn’t actually work for him. Dershowitz is on record pretty continuously since 2017 attacking the legal basis of Mueller’s work while defending the legal basis of Trump’s. He has absolutely become a Trump supporter and apologist. > [@](#): > > In any case I have been anti-Dershowitz for awhile now- as I am a libertarian that should not be a surprise. Actually that does come as quite a surprise, as libertarians tend to be rabidly against prosecutorial overreach, especially regarding search-and-seizure and technical court proceedings. But this is probably better argued in its own thread given recent mod instructions. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/70 "2019-07-08T19:23:18Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > So Dershowitz is not to be trusted because he supported Clinton, but Trump can be trusted even though he supported Clinton? > > You can’t have it both ways. Thankfully I’m not trying to have it either way. Neither should be trusted as far as I’m concerned. Dershowitz because he is a supporter of a powerful executive and defended torture. Trump because he is a war criminal. If both or either get taken down on these accusations, that’s fine with me. Not a partisan for either major party. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/71 "2019-07-08T19:35:38Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Thankfully I’m not trying to have it either way. Neither should be trusted as far as I’m concerned. Dershowitz because he is a supporter of a powerful executive and defended torture. Trump because he is a war criminal. If both or either get taken down on these accusations, that’s fine with me. Not a partisan for either major party. Dershowitz’s defense of Epstein may have been self-serving, as a couple of Epstein’s victims claim that they were pressured or forced into having sex with Dershowitz. > **[Defamation Suit Against Attorney Alan Dershowitz Surfaces More Jeffrey...](https://gothamist.com/news/defamation-suit-against-attorney-alan-dershowitz-surfaces-more-jeffrey-epstein-allegations)** > > Alan Dershowitz allegedly participated in, and then helped cover up, Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking scheme. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/72 "2019-07-08T20:05:46Z")
Here’s a vote for prosecuting pedophiles and separating them from society first, and Then asking whether they support Democrats or are morally bankrupt, mathtarded and otherwise incapable of independent rational thought. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/73 "2019-07-08T20:07:42Z")
[The Case Against Impeaching Trump](https://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-Impeaching-Trump/dp/151074228X) by Alan Dershowitz. Unquestionably, without a doubt, a Trump apologist. It’s right there in black and white. **WillFarnaby** remains a fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/74 "2019-07-08T20:13:42Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > [The Case Against Impeaching Trump](https://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-Impeaching-Trump/dp/151074228X) by Alan Dershowitz. > > Unquestionably, without a doubt, a Trump apologist. It’s right there in black and white. > > **WillFarnaby** remains a fucking idiot. It cracks me up that Trump and Hannity are praising the book, and then you have a bunch of people praising other books he wrote in the past. And the book is 71% off. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/75 "2019-07-08T20:30:07Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I think there is sort of a quantum reality to these media stories… enough people simultaneously believe that ephebophilia is more understandable than pedophilia, but it didn’t really happen, and anyway people are out to get him, anyway it happened a long time ago, and he’s done so many good things after he did the bad thing. Which again, he did not do. > > I call it quantum bullshit which is kind of like gaslighting except the abused cooperates with the abuser to keep several contradictory stories alive, because we prefer the known uncertainty to the unknown truth. You forgot “And she knew what she was doing/she looked 18/she wasn’t a virgin or anything/she got paid”. Because good girls deserve protection, but once a girl is damaged, she’s a piece of trash and it’s not like using her more means anything: she can’t get any more trash. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/76 "2019-07-08T20:40:51Z")
Per [this](https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/08/us/jeffrey-epstein-monday-court-appearance/index.html) they found a large amount of child pornography in his Manhattan home along with his massage table and sex paraphernalia set-up in his massage room. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/77 "2019-07-08T21:03:33Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “How did you spend your holiday weekend?” > “Well, I opened it by arguing that ‘detention centers’ were nothing like ‘concentration camps’, then I closed it by defending a pedophile by saying ‘he was your friend, too!’. You?” > “… get away. Now.” I just heard the Dumpster say on CNN that “I’ve seen those centers.” Yeah, the sanitized version on TV. Does anyone know if Epstein has children of his own? His Wiki page does not mention any, and implies that he was never married. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/78 "2019-07-08T21:10:41Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > It cracks me up that Trump and Hannity are praising the book, and then you have a bunch of people praising other books he wrote in the past. Including this awesomely misleading quote, by someone who’s been dead for 35 years: > [@](#): > > “Anyone interested in the true merits of criminal law and very fine writing must read Alan Dershowitz’s book.” > —Truman Capote ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/79 "2019-07-08T22:26:42Z")
The Capote quote evidently originated with [this book from '83](https://www.amazon.com/Best-Defense-Courtroom-Confrontations-Outspoken/dp/039471380X). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/80 "2019-07-08T22:28:49Z")
It’s like a really long term form of “like farming”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=5)