# Jeffery Epstein has been arrested for sex trafficking a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658 "2019-07-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/141 "2019-07-10T14:09:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Steve MB** : > > When it comes to serious records waste paper disposal and DNA dust cleanup, the light cheap flimsy models simply won’t do! But I thought he liked his models light and flimsy. More seriously, I’m not being hypocritical in how I’m treating Democrats vs. Republicans. Both Trump and Bill Clinton have done bad things. But the things we know Trump has done are much worse than the things we know Clinton has done, so it makes sense to treat Trump worse on that account. As for the things we don’t know either has done, well, let’s investigate this fully, following all of the leads, and whatever pedophile scumbags we find, let’s lock them up. If that includes Trump, lock him up. If it includes Clinton, lock him up too. If it includes anyone else, of either political party (though I’ll note that Clinton seems to be the only Democratic name anyone’s mentioning so far), lock all of them up. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/142 "2019-07-10T17:33:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But I thought he liked his models light and flimsy. > More seriously, I’m not being hypocritical in how I’m treating Democrats vs. Republicans. Both Trump and Bill Clinton have done bad things. But the things we know Trump has done are much worse than the things we know Clinton has done, so it makes sense to treat Trump worse on that account. As for the things we don’t know either has done, well, let’s investigate this fully, following all of the leads, and whatever pedophile scumbags we find, let’s lock them up. If that includes Trump, lock him up. If it includes Clinton, lock him up too. If it includes anyone else, of either political party (though I’ll note that Clinton seems to be the only Democratic name anyone’s mentioning so far), lock all of them up. +1 ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/143 "2019-07-10T19:39:19Z")
The article is mostly about Fox’s talking heads and their issues, but it contained a tidbit related to this thread. [One day encapsulated everything that’s wrong with Fox News](https://www.vox.com/2019/7/10/20688767/fox-news-hannity-seth-rich-russia-tucker-carlson-ilhan-omar) _From revelations about spreading Russian propaganda to making racist attacks, July 9 had it all._ > [@](#): > > And that’s not all. Earlier in the day on Tuesday, Fox News used the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein — a convicted sex offender with ties to Bill Clinton and Donald Trump — to launch a misinformed attack on President Barack Obama. > > Afternoon host Harris Faulkner and Campus Reform editor Lawrence Jones III blamed Obama for the sweetheart plea deal Epstein received in 2008 from Alexander Acosta, a former US attorney who now serves as Trump’s secretary of labor — even though Obama wasn’t even inaugurated as president until January 2009. To be fair, the guy in the clip didn’t mention Obama but did say the deal occurred in 2008 under a Democratic administration. Probable response of the average Fox viewer: “I knew it!!! Obama’s fault!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/144 "2019-07-10T21:57:24Z")
New York magazine ran a great article today. It pretty much says what that I posted yesterday regarding Epstein’s probable financial crimes, except it’s better written and has more detail, including a couple of possible scenarios that I didn’t consider. > **[How Jeffrey Epstein Made His Money: Four Wild Theories](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/how-did-jeffrey-epstein-make-his-fortune.html)** > > The source of Jeffrey Epstein’s wealth is a mystery, but unproven theories on how his made his millions – from blackmail to money-laundering – abound. And if anyone is interested, here’s a 2009 article speculating that Epstein is running a Ponzi scheme. > **[Is Jeff Epstein Also Running A Ponzi Scheme?](https://www.businessinsider.com/is-convicted-sex-offender-jeff-epstein-running-a-ponzi-scheme-2009-7)** > > Is Jeff Epstein Also Running A Ponzi Scheme? And I found this deliciously snarky op ed in Bloomberg about some of the fawning Epstein magazine profiles. The author comments “Really I should just walk around with a cell phone to my ear declaring my intention to short everything I don’t like. Maybe then someone will buy me an eight story Upper East Side townhouse.” There is a article on above it on the page, you have to scroll down or read through to get to the Epstein piece. But it’s pretty funny. [https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-07-09/it-s-hard-to-make-everything-securities-fraud](https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-07-09/it-s-hard-to-make-everything-securities-fraud) ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/145 "2019-07-10T22:39:59Z")
> [@](#): > > “Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?” Acosta had been asked. Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told **Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’** and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta. > **[Jeffrey Epstein’s Sick Story Played Out for Years in Plain Sight](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-played-out-for-years-in-plain-sight)** > > How did the New York financier stay nearly untouchable for decades? Vicky Ward—who has reported extensively on Epstein, and on efforts to rehabilitate him—finds out what’s changed. posted for the record ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/146 "2019-07-11T10:24:55Z")
The right has apparently come out strong with a defense of Trump, pointing out that 1) Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago and 2) Trump was the most friendly source of information against Epstein in a 2011 suit against him by Virginia Roberts, 3) Trump only ever flew on Epstein’s plane once. So let me point out: 1. What year? Is that before or after Epstein was arrested? 2. Is this before or after Epstein’s arrest for criminal activity? 3. Trump gave his daughter, Ivanka, to John Casablancas to personally develop into a professional model when she was 14 years old. This was in 1995. In 1988, Casablancas was popularly reported to be sleeping with 14 year olds as a regular matter and his business associates were on tape taking about driving and raping 13 year old models. This was widely reported in the New York press and it would be ludicrous to think that Trump would be unaware. Trump also worked with the developer Tevfik Arif for most of his property development and Arif was arrested in Turkey in 2010 for soliciting underaged models from former Soviet States to work as prostitutes. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/147 "2019-07-11T10:52:16Z")
That sentence should be “talking about drugging and raping”. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/148 "2019-07-11T13:38:24Z")
A fairly decent article: > **["We All Knew About the Trafficking"-The Untold Story of Trump Model...](https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/6/1578544/-The-Untold-Story-of-Trump-Model-Management-A-Daily-Kos-Exclusive-Part-1)** > > Authors Note-The Wade Turnbull I attributed to the Twitter posts was incorrectly identified as an individual with the same name. The Wade Turnbull quoted-who I did not speak with prior to this publication-is the owner of the website Cargo... So far as I can tell, everything in it checks out. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/149 "2019-07-11T16:50:37Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > [Jeffrey Epstein’s Sick Story Played Out for Years in Plain Sight](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-played-out-for-years-in-plain-sight) > > posted for the record Somehow that didn’t come up in Acosta’s statement yesterday. How strange. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/150 "2019-07-11T18:10:18Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > [Jeffrey Epstein’s Sick Story Played Out for Years in Plain Sight](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-played-out-for-years-in-plain-sight) > > posted for the record Interesting. I guess that, now that CIA has decided that Saudi Arabia is more of an enemy than an asset, they’re fine to start burning the bridges. Nader was also taken in recently. Countdown to Tom Barrack being brought in…? Though, to be fair, I don’t know that Barrack has actually done all that much slimy compared to the rest of Trump’s gang. I’d be willing - so far - to put him into the category of schmoozer extraordinaire rather than a true criminal like Elliott Broidy or Epstein. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/151 "2019-07-11T18:50:48Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Interesting. > > I guess that, now that CIA has decided that Saudi Arabia is more of an enemy than an asset, they’re fine to start burning the bridges. > > Nader was also taken in recently. > > Countdown to Tom Barrack being brought in…? Though, to be fair, I don’t know that Barrack has actually done all that much slimy compared to the rest of Trump’s gang. I’d be willing - so far - to put him into the category of schmoozer extraordinaire rather than a true criminal like Elliott Broidy or Epstein. For what it’s worth, in his book Fire and Fury, Michael Wolfe described Epstein,Trump and Tom Barrack as the 3 musketeers of NY nightlife back in the 1980’s and 1990’s. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/152 "2019-07-11T19:16:13Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > For what it’s worth, in his book Fire and Fury, Michael Wolfe described Epstein,Trump and Tom Barrack as the 3 musketeers of NY nightlife back in the 1980’s and 1990’s. That’s a SNL sketch waiting to happen. Complete with constant head-bobbing. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/153 "2019-07-12T00:44:38Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > For what it’s worth, in his book Fire and Fury, Michael Wolfe described Epstein,Trump and Tom Barrack as the 3 musketeers of NY nightlife back in the 1980’s and 1990’s. So long as Barrack and all his partners were 18 years old or older, that is a legal thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/154 "2019-07-12T00:59:42Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > In fairness, “future pedophile” is unlikely to appear in a background check. > > High school yearbook, maybe. I was somewhat taken aback to read that Dalton hired a college dropout to teach. Either this is not true, and Epstein made it up, or there was something fishy going on. Dalton is the kind of exclusive, very expensive private school where the teachers are, if anything, overqualified and quite likely to have a Ph.D. Certainly an M.A. or M.S. But no way only a high school diploma. It’s not credible. I’m not even sure it’s legal, in New York State. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/155 "2019-07-12T01:02:01Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > So long as Barrack and all his partners were 18 years old or older, that is a legal thing to do. I’m not implying that it wasn’t. I’m just saying that Trump and Epstein were closer than Trump is letting on. Also, I think world leaders should adhere to a higher moral standard than “technically legal”, but these days apparently that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/156 "2019-07-12T01:02:10Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > In further fairness, not having completed a college degree does not automatically make someone “unqualified” to teach high school. I myself had an excellent high school English teacher who was a twentyish English major taking a year off from college. I’d bet the rent it makes someone “unqualified” to teach at Dalton. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/157 "2019-07-12T01:33:20Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > I’d bet the rent it makes someone “unqualified” to teach at Dalton. [https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/default/mdf/recruitment/recruitment.html?cid=ceb72cfc-55b8-4f10-92d9-8ed47c9bae4b&ccId=19000101\_000001&type=MP&lang=en\_US](https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/default/mdf/recruitment/recruitment.html?cid=ceb72cfc-55b8-4f10-92d9-8ed47c9bae4b&ccId=19000101_000001&type=MP&lang=en_US) According to this, Dalton requires high school math teachers to have a 4 year college degree. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/158 "2019-07-12T01:35:57Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > [Recruitment](https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/default/mdf/recruitment/recruitment.html?cid=ceb72cfc-55b8-4f10-92d9-8ed47c9bae4b&ccId=19000101_000001&type=MP&lang=en_US) > > According to this, Dalton requires high school math teachers to have a 4 year college degree. 40 years ago? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/159 "2019-07-12T01:37:47Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > 40 years ago? My girlfriend taught preschool there 30 years ago. She had a B.A. I don’t recall if it was required, but I suspect it was ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658/160 "2019-07-12T13:49:44Z")
There is breaking news that Acosta is resigning. > **[Trump Labor Secretary Acosta resigning after criticism over Epstein plea deal...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-s-labor-secretary-alex-acosta-resigns-after-criticism-over-n1029226)** > > The wealthy financier was arrested over the weekend and charged in the Southern District of New York with sex trafficking dozens of girls. Trump’s Labor Secretary Alex Acosta resigns after criticism over Epstein plea deal Acosta had faced mounting criticism in recent days for his role years ago in cutting a deal for sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeffery-epstein-has-been-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-a-minor/836658.md?page=9)