# Jehovah's Witness Attacked by Angry Ram **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 23, 2003, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343 "2003-01-23T02:10:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/21 "2003-01-23T22:32:17Z")
Bummer getting sodomized by a ram’s horn on your last day at work. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/22 "2003-01-23T22:56:29Z")
I’ve got to wonder if this > [@](#): > > “his capacity to enjoy life has permanently diminished”. Isn’t somehow related to this > [@](#): > > They claimed they were forced to sell their hose-fitting business as a result of the injuries Mr Hawthorn suffered. What the heck is a “hose-fitting business” anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/23 "2003-01-23T23:49:24Z")
> [@](#): > > What the heck is a “hose-fitting business” anyway? _grin_ Do you REALLY have to ask? ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/24 "2003-01-24T00:48:15Z")
Hey, I am an unbaptized Christian who happen follow many of JW tenets. Does that mean I’m uninvited to? \ ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/25 "2003-01-24T00:51:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lissa \* > \*\*WLittle Bastard even confessed what he had done, but the hysterical parents couldn’t believe what that “vicious brute” had done to their “precious angel” and threatened to sue my parents unless they put the dog down. Regretfully, they did, and ended up only having to pay the medical costs. (They actually called an ambulance, so it was a bit pricey.) \*\* I’d respond to this story, but we’re not in the Pit. :mad: Couldn’t they have countersued for something stemming from the dog’s death? Blackmail? Loss of property? ---
**Author:** ![Leifsmama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a698b9/32.png) [@Leifsmama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leifsmama)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/26 "2003-01-24T01:29:10Z")
Try owing horses. If anyone is hurt for any reason, it’s your fault. You can’t imagine how stupid people are around horses. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/27 "2003-01-24T01:30:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Narrad \* > No problem with that? You’re fine with the concept that my sign eliminates all responsibility for injury inflicted by my “LASER”? Good. > [snip] > I’m still free from liability aren’t I? After all, it’s MY property and I can do what I like to protect it , regardless of the risk to the public, right? > > Right? Jesus Christ man, lighten the hell up. This is MPSIMS, and I didn’t personally attack your belief in god or anything. I think you took this: > [@](#): > > This sucks though, _you would assume_ that a “No Trespassing” sign would eliminate all liability if somebody _decided to ignore it and in doing so was injured in the process_. a little bit too far. Notice the italicised part, “you would assume” and the implication that ignoring the no trespassing sign was done intentionally. I left myself open to much correction, and especially so considering it was my opinion. It was simple response to the OP, and in no way intended to be viewed in anything remotely close to how you obviously saw it. You jumping all over _my_ ass was unnecessary and unwarranted. Your examples of the freakishly erected laser and the vicious man eating dogs, spikes, and booby traps are a far stretch from the OP, and from what I was commenting on. You’ve taken my words and construed them far from what the intended meaning was, presumably just to make me look like a “Hell yeah, just kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out” kind of person. Give me a break, and drink a nice cup of hot tea before you decide to freak out and reply to something like that again. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/28 "2003-01-24T01:33:01Z")
Q. What do you get if you cross a Jehovah’s Witness with an atheist? A. Someone who knocks on your door for no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/29 "2003-01-24T01:44:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Couldn’t they have countersued for something stemming from the dog’s death? Blackmail? Loss of property? You know, I said the same things, but Mr. and Mrs. Bastard were very sue-happy people. Not to mention that a lawsuit can be a huge pain in the ass, and very costly. They were claiming they might have to send their son to therapy because of his “terror,” and darkly hinted that the amount might be in the tens of thousands, if not more. (If you ask me, Little Bastard deserved a little terror. Once, he hit me in the head with a rock, and when I told Mr. and Mrs Bastard, they said that I should have gotten out of the way.) My parents moved pretty soon after this incident. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/30 "2003-01-24T01:47:16Z")
JFK Jr. claimed to have take a poll of people he knew who’d been shot and sued. The majority of them said they’d rather be shot again, rather than being sued again. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/31 "2003-01-24T16:09:47Z")
Can I point out that this case took place in Australia, so has little if any relevance to US property and trespassing laws? ---
**Author:** ![80sHairMetalMaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/8/ed655f/32.png) [@80sHairMetalMaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/80sHairMetalMaven)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/32 "2003-01-24T16:23:39Z")
> [@](#): > > If you ask me, Little Bastard deserved a little terror. Once, he hit me in the head with a rock, and when I told Mr. and Mrs Bastard, they said that I should have gotten out of the way. They actually _said_ that to you? How pretentious of them! What snobs,“you should have gotten out of the way” indeed!I mean c’mon really. Are they that nieve that they think their kid’s shit smells sweeter than everybody else’s? IDBB ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/33 "2003-01-24T20:52:38Z")
It’s wrong to assume that the Witnesses won’t take anyone to civil court. For many years the Watchtower Society had a first-rate attorney named Hayden C. Covington; he eventually went on his own and apparently had clients such as Muhammad Ali. If you go to a public law library and look through appellate court reports–all the way up to the U. S. Supreme Court–you will find that the Witnesses have in fact seen fit to pursue civil cases. In the 1940s they took a case to the Supreme Court–and lost–concerning their children not saluting the flag at school. They took it to the court again–in \*West Virgina Board of Education v. Barnett (1943), \* I believe. The high court reversed itself. I am aware that there is a defense to liability known as “assumption of risk.” If I willfully go into someone’s yard when I see a large dog, unchained, inside the yard, I know the risk I’m taking. So do letter carriers and meter readers, for that matter. (And what about someone “trespassing” to tell you your house is on fire? Or relatives visitng?) I also once saw an ad in a magazine, with a cartoony drawing of a dog on a leash; the copy said “it takes only one protect-that-territory bite to deflate a large bank account.” As for the proper approach when a householder refuses their contact, see Matthew 10:14. 🙂 Sicking a dog on someone you don’t like, approaching your door, is no better than hiding a howitzer inside your front door, and firing it at anyone who approaches the door. ---
**Author:** ![The\_MacDairmuid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_MacDairmuid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_MacDairmuid)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/34 "2003-01-25T00:53:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by capacitor \* > \*\*Hey, I am an unbaptized Christian who happen follow many of JW tenets. Does that mean I’m uninvited to? \ \*\* You can believe any tenets of any religion you choose. If you can refrain from preaching them unto me unless I explicitly ask you to do so, then you might be invited in. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/35 "2003-01-25T01:06:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dougie\_monty \* > \*\*Sicking a dog on someone you don’t like, approaching your door, is no better than hiding a howitzer inside your front door, and firing it at anyone who approaches the door. \*\* I disagree, firing a howitzer at someone who comes to your door is, _waaaaay_ cooler than simply siccing a dog on them, or even firing a gun! 😉 (Of course, you can expect a visit from the FBI soon after, but fug 'em ya got howitzer!) ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/36 "2003-01-25T01:21:32Z")
I think having an attack ram is cooler than a howitzer. ---
**Author:** ![Jervoise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d2c977/32.png) [@Jervoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jervoise)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/37 "2003-01-25T05:42:47Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by ladyfoxfyre_ > \*\*Your examples of the freakishly erected laser and the vicious man eating dogs, spikes, and booby traps are a far stretch from the OP, and from what I was commenting on. You’ve taken my words and construed them far from what the intended meaning was, presumably just to make me look like a “Hell yeah, just kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out” kind of person. Give me a break, and drink a nice cup of hot tea before you decide to freak out and reply to something like that again. \*\* Sheesh. You know, I would’ve thought a post replete with _Austin Powers_ references and involving giant death-dealing lasers would invoke the necessary HYPERBOLE warning light in the reader’s mind. Obviously not. **ladyfoxfyre** , I didn’t mean to attack you personally. I intended to light-heartedly demonstrate _why_ land owners can’t protect their property at all costs. I quoted your words as a starting point, and in hindsight I can see how you felt I was “jumping all over your ass”. I’m sorry. – Incidentally, a sign reading “Private - Keep Out” (or, for that matter, “No Trespassing”) falls way short of a proper warning. There’s a “Private” sign on the manager’s door at my local supermarket. Would it be okay if he or she erected a booby trap inside the door? Should the sign function to eliminate all liability? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/38 "2003-01-25T15:25:07Z")
Actually, “erecting a booby trap” in your property or space with anything more lethal than a water baloon is flat-out illegal in most jurisdictions, regardless of what warnings you may post. ---
**Author:** ![Virgowitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9fc348/32.png) [@Virgowitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Virgowitch)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/39 "2003-01-25T21:31:11Z")
Now they’ll just have to put him in the Jehovah’s Witness Protection Program. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343/40 "2003-01-25T21:37:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Weirddave \* > \*\*Q. What do you get if you cross a Jehovah’s Witness with an atheist? > A. Someone who knocks on your door for no reason. \*\* How does the atheist part fit in? I’d be disinclined to rig up booby traps simply because I wouldn’t want to injure a police officer, fireman or EMT who might be coming to _help_ me after I call 911. Burglars, though, can eat lead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jehovahs-witness-attacked-by-angry-ram/150343.md?page=3)