# Jenna Bush, Legally Schnockered **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 30, 2002, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556 "2002-07-30T17:27:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/21 "2002-07-31T01:08:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried \* > \*\* > Mr. Ike, are you implying that 2 x 225 = 550? > (We’ll teach him to post in the Pit!) \*\* I’m sure that he was factoring in a hefty tip plus a few rounds for the Secret Service guys watching her. We Americans don’t know that you shouldn’t lavishly tip (if at all) in France. ---
**Author:** ![Scotticher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Scotticher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scotticher)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/22 "2002-07-31T01:31:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ukulele Ike \* > \*\* > > Exactly! Why shouldn’t she be spending her summer getting plastered in bars in St.-Tropez? God knows she can afford it, and it’s HER family’s money, after all, to spend as they see fit. Sure, she could be interning any place from The National Review to General Motors to the Heritage Foundation (hell, or Greenpeace or the Village Voice), but why bother? Any or all of those places will be happy to extend an employment offer just as soon as she graduates, and not for a receptionist’s position, either. \*\* Um…maybe NOT Greenpeace or the VIllage Voice? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/23 "2002-07-31T01:36:57Z")
Oh my God… she’s actiing like… like… a KENNEDY! ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/24 "2002-07-31T01:50:51Z")
Yep, I don’t see anything wrong with an afternoon on the lash with a couple of friends. Might be more interesting if she was getting wasted on decriminalised grass (maybe not in France _just_ yet) and then married a woman in the evening…daddy might look even more confused than usual. ---
**Author:** ![Primaflora](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Primaflora](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Primaflora)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/25 "2002-07-31T02:07:09Z")
If you google Chelsea Clinton drunk, you’ll get several hits (some of them rather peculiar) about her recent binge in public. Not that I give a rat’s arse or anything. Students drink. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/26 "2002-07-31T02:41:01Z")
Damn, that’s some [unfortunate makeup](http://www.anusha.com/chelseadrunk.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/27 "2002-07-31T06:38:49Z")
The thing is that George Bush 2 makes a huge deal about being a recovering alcoholic. ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/28 "2002-07-31T08:14:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by capacitor \* > \*\*The thing is that George Bush 2 makes a huge deal about being a recovering alcoholic. \*\* :smack: Oy! Now I get it. Silly me. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/29 "2002-07-31T10:49:22Z")
Yeah, **capacitor** , I didn’t know it was genetic. ---
**Author:** ![haardvark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@haardvark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/haardvark)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/30 "2002-07-31T10:56:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RickJay \* > \*\*Why, in my university days, we never drank alcohol. Even though the booze age here is 19, not one person on my campaus ever drank to the point of nausea and hurled in the stairwell coming out of Alfie’s, or got completely pie-eyed at Ritual on a Friday morning and showed up to class drunk, nor did my friends and I ever get so wasted at the Prince George that we knocked over two tables full of glasses and were banned for life. “Fie on alcohol,” you’d hear the students say on a Saturday night at Dr. Girdy’s when they absolutely were NOT quaffing $1 beers a dozen at a time, \*\* Queen’s alum, eh, **RJ**? ---
**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/31 "2002-07-31T11:02:12Z")
For all those astonished/not astonished at the “two bottles at $225 each” - I feel I should point out that the source of these “facts” are a correspondant from \The Mirror\ - a daily tabloid not known for their attention to facts when in search of a good story. She probably drank a few beers, looked a bit squiffy and fell asleep. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/32 "2002-07-31T11:03:09Z")
ok, for a start, the source, the “London Mirror” is a rag of the lowest order, and I wouldnt believe a word that it prints. It is the lowest common denominator of journalism. They probably took the price of one shot from the bar, and multiplied it be how many shots in the bar and then said that this was the price of the bottle. Regardless, she was legal to drink where she was drinking. What her father would say about it is another thing altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/33 "2002-07-31T11:04:48Z")
Wow - even if I hadn’t used incorrect parenthesis tags, that _still_ would’ve been wrong. I’m on form today. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/34 "2002-07-31T11:08:07Z")
multiplied by how many shots “in the bottle”, not at the bar. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/35 "2002-07-31T11:40:14Z")
Don’t apologize, Twisty. You think big. That’s good. “Don’t gimme the fucking _bottle_. What does this damn **bar** go for?” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Doris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@Sir\_Doris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Doris)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/36 "2002-07-31T11:44:07Z")
My reaction to this is, like most, “big deal”, but it got me thinking … What if a younger teen, say 14 years old, had sex\* in a country where the age of consent for sex is 14 yrs or lower? \*_not in bar with three friends, obviously. That **would** be news._ ---
**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/37 "2002-07-31T12:06:24Z")
The age at which people have sex is generally approved/disapproved of according to moral codes regarding the maturity and readiness of young people for what is very clearly an adult act. Having sex when you’re not ready can be psychologically harmful and objections to 14 year olds having sex are usually along those lines. Drinking when you’re fourteen is generally approved/disapproved of because of the legal implications. Granted, there is the immaturity aspect as well, but I think this is along very different lines. My point is: approval/disapproval of having sex and drinking alcohol, while often linked, are governed by different moral codes. You can’t really compare the two. Jenna Bush having a legal drink isn’t even in the same league as a fourteen year old having sex. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/38 "2002-07-31T12:16:33Z")
She’s _twenty_. She’s been a legal driver in her own country for four years, and she has been able to vote for two. The fact that the US of A doesn’t let anyone drink under 21 (yet they let them drive at 16?) doesn’t mean that other jurisdictions are less in that regard. In France, a twenty-year-old can drink whatever the hell she wants. There _are_ no moral objections. Let me put it this way: if a 16 year old Dutch exchange student goes to the US for a year, and obtains his drivers license there, is it **immoral** for him to do so? Answer: no, it’s not. Of course, upon return his license is worth fuck-all because you have to be 18 to drive here, but that’s another matter. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/39 "2002-07-31T12:24:26Z")
I agree that US drinking laws are the shite. If the minimum age was still 18, as it was in most states up until…what was it? 1984?..no one would even think of Jenna Bush, except as the “less-bright of the twins.” I do admit I have a problem with an American going to St.-Tropez and ordering tequila, though. I sure hope she wasn’t wearing a big ol’ cowboy hat and pointy boots and a TEXAS jersey and shouting “Yippee Kai Ai Oh!” When in Rome, drink what the Romans are drinking, that’s MY motto. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Doris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@Sir\_Doris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Doris)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2002, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556/40 "2002-07-31T12:49:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Francesca \* > \*\* > > My point is: approval/disapproval of having sex and drinking alcohol, while often linked, are governed by different moral codes. You can’t really compare the two. Jenna Bush having a legal drink isn’t even in the same league as a fourteen year old having sex. \*\* Absolutely. I was just musing on what appeared to be the conflation of the moral vs legality aspect. The age of consent varies even around Europe, whilst we in the UK might feel uncomfortable about a 14 yr old having sex, in some other countries it would be no big deal, since it would not be illegal. Thus in the US, some might feel (or at least want to be seen to feel) unhappy about an under-21 having a drink. I guess commentators, politicians and the like have a tendancy to be holier-than-thou about moral and legal issues in their professional capacity, whatever they may privately feel? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenna-bush-legally-schnockered/121556.md?page=3)