# Jenny McCarthy gets a talk show (and the antivax movement) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 18, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833 "2009-05-18T07:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/1 "2009-05-18T07:28:53Z")
Jenny McCarthy is an aggressive force of stupidity and evil who has somehow has had her looney and destructive views heard by millions, probably because the media is also often stupid and evil. She’s the celebrity spokesperson for the anti-vaccination movement that is currently threatning to bring back otherwise nearly eradicated diseases. The movement started with a small study conducted by [Dr. Andrew Wakefield](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield) that was [fundamentally flawed](http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece) with fixed data. He was [funded](http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-deer-1.htm) by lawyers representing people who intended to sue vaccine manufacturers. He was charged with [11 counts of professional misconduct.](http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article565188.ece) After Dr. Wakefield’s cooked findings, vaccination rates (especially in Britain) dropped significantly due to the fear his findings spread. Because of that, since then, several major studies with far larger sample sizes have been conducted and have found no causitive or correlative link between autism and vaccines. [Thiomersal](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy), the mercury-containing antiseptic/antifungal used in vaccines, which was suggested as the potential cause of autism, was removed as a precautionary measure from most vaccines by 2001 - and there were no changes to autism diagnosis rates after it had fallen out of common use. There is nothing to support the idea that there is a link between autism and vaccines. The one small, flawed, manipulated study that was funded by litigants suing a vaccine manufacturer was designed to show some weak correlation, but multiple legitimate studies later showed no correlation. Even then, Thiomersal, the agent that the antivax movement blamed, was removed from vaccines (with predictably no change in autism rates) and they still weren’t happy, still advocating that people not use vaccines. That certainly didn’t stop Jenny McCarthy, who knew that her “mommy instinct” was far more valid than things like “peer reviewed double blind studies” and other such scientific nonsense that’s only designed to enrich the evil pharmaceutic corporations! Oprah, who will entertain any psuedoscientific nonsense, and treat celebrities and victims as if they were experts, gave her plenty of air time and even called her a “mommy warrior”, buying into the idea that she’s fighting a noble fight against evil big pharma. Some kids can’t be vaccinated due to medical conditions, and some aren’t vaccinated due to irresponsible parents - so your typcial vaccination rates have been in the 90-95% range. This is acceptable because [herd immunity](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity) prevents the outbreak of diseases if the vast majority of a population is immunized. The problem is now that because idiots aren’t vaccinating their kids because they listen to people like McCarthy, in some areas the immunization rates are dropping below the herd immunity threshold, leading to [outbreaks](http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=363) of diseases that were eradicted in the US. The antivaccination movement is killing kids. The [Jenny McCarthy body count](http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html) tracks cases of preventable illness and deaths that stem from lack of vaccination. I don’t think McCarthy is directly responsible for those deaths - ultimately it falls on the shoulders of idiot parents - but she does bear some culpability. She even accepts her role in this and acknowledges what she advocates will result in people getting diseases. She considers it to be acceptable losses. She [said:](http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1888718,00.html) > [@](#): > > I do believe sadly it’s going to take some diseases coming back to realize that we need to change and develop vaccines that are safe. If the vaccine companies are not listening to us, it’s their f\_\_\_ing fault that the diseases are coming back. They’re making a product that’s s\_\_\_. If you give us a safe vaccine, we’ll use it. It shouldn’t be polio versus autism. She claims that she cured her son with diet, vitamins, chelation, shoving a unicorn horn up his ass, and sprinkling him with fairy dust. I don’t know much about her kid specifically - it’s not terribly relevant to the damage she’s causing in general. But from perusing various sources, it seems that there’s some disagreement whether or not her kid is actually autistic - he may be afflicted with other disorders that have autistic-like symptoms. It’s also unclear that he has actually improved in any meaningful way or if he’s been trained to respond better to certain tests or if she’s just making up his progress entirely. It’s possible that he has indeed improved - many children with autism-like symptoms in early childhood spontaneously improve as they get older. If I may play amateur psychologist, I suspect this stems from the fact that it’s hard to accept that shit happens. Some kids develop autism. It sucks. We have no reason to think there’s anything we can do about it. But if your kid is a victim, it may be hard to simply accept that you’re powerless. So you invent something you can attempt to control, that you can attempt to fight. Something to blame, something where, even if you can’t help your kid, you feel like you can fight the good fight and help others and in some way that gives you a degree of control over the situation. So she latched onto the idea that evil pharmaceutical corporations are poisoning our kids (how this benefits them, I don’t know). It gave her a cause to fight against. It to some degree took away her powerlessness. But the problem is - once you buy into this conspiracy mindset - and this happens with any True Believers - then you’re unwilling to consider contrary evidence. You build an entire psychological house of cards on this premise and you can’t risk letting anything knock it over. So when you see scientific studies that prove that there’s no link between vaccines and autism, you decide that any evidence that contradicts your view point is part of the conspiracy. You set up this shield of stubbornness and irrationality that protects your beliefs from scrutiny. Because what’s the alternative for her? She has so much invested in the idea that autism is caused by vaccines that if she were to change her mind she would realize that the last years of her life have been not only based on a false premise but actively spreading harm throughout society. She would not only have to accept “shit happens” and relinquish her sense of control, but she would have to acknowledge that she’s been advocating to people a course of action that results in the death of kids. She can’t stop now, she’s fully invested in this idea. So no amount of evidence can possibly change her view - she just digs in deeper. Not only does the media give her plenty of totally unjustified coverage (why? because she’s a D-list celebrity and former porn star?), but now Oprah has arranged for Jenny to have [her own talk show](http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20276358,00.html?xid=rss-fullcontentcnn). Undoubtedly she will use this as a platform to get even more coverage for her cause, and probably will be watched by the same sort of audience that Oprah gets with their manatee-like intelligence who gobble up and sort of psuedoscientific or new age bullshit that spews from her rectum. This is causing, and will continue to cause, real harm. And not harm to the idiots who buy into it (who are already immunized) - but harm to innocent kids who have no control over how dumb their parents are. Fuck Jenny McCarthy. Fuck Oprah. Fuck the media that gives this shit coverage. Fuck the antivaccination movement. Fuck ungrateful assholes who don’t realize that modern medicine has eradicated diseases that have caused so much suffering. It’s too bad we can’t counteract their immunizations and make them dive into an olympic swimming pool filled with polio and measles. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/2 "2009-05-18T09:06:10Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > …currently threatning to bring back otherwise nearly eradicated diseases. You say that like it’s a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/3 "2009-05-18T09:13:00Z")
Uh… yes. I know I’m going out on a limb, but I’m actually cool with people not dying of polio and the measles. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/4 "2009-05-18T09:36:06Z")
But she’s … good looking. And those silly scientists aren’t. And they keep saying they need evidence (and time to collect it). We have all the proof we need because Jenny ‘cured’ her son - so that proves it works. :smack::smack::smack: ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/5 "2009-05-18T10:49:05Z")
I think possibly Jenny’s breastfeeding cures autism. Have I ever mentioned I’m autistic? ---
**Author:** ![incidental](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/22d042/32.png) [@incidental](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/incidental)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/6 "2009-05-18T11:54:11Z")
That CDC table the body count website links to is totally awesome! Finally a definitive answer to the question of how many cases of Legionellosis in the last year! I love it! Oh CDC, is there anything you can’t do? Lest anyone think I am kidding, I assure you that I am not. I completely serious and very excited about the table. It’s just begging to be put into excel and graphed… ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/7 "2009-05-18T12:05:32Z")
> [@incidental](#): > > … Oh CDC, is there anything you can’t do? … The apparently can’t stop Jenny McCarthy’s ever-increasing body count. Perhaps if they listed _her_ as a disease… ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/8 "2009-05-18T12:11:47Z")
There’s only one explanation: she’s a cultist of Nurgle, doing His work. Now all she needs is a scythe and a title, something like “the Poxbringer”. ---
**Author:** ![Laudenum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Laudenum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laudenum)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/9 "2009-05-18T12:12:06Z")
> [@incidental](#): > > It’s just begging to be put into excel and graphed… Oh, you naughty thing! ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/10 "2009-05-18T12:14:27Z")
Good [blog article](http://www.cracked.com/blog/dont-listen-to-jenny-mccarthy) about her on Cracked. And I agree with the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/11 "2009-05-18T12:19:24Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > There’s only one explanation: she’s a cultist of Nurgle, doing His work. Now all she needs is a scythe and a title, something like “the Poxbringer”. In Medieval 2: Total War, the black death comes to your towns eventually. But you have some control over how far it will spread in your kingdom, since if you don’t move anyone from the affected area the black death won’t spread as fast if at all. If you click on the details of a character, there is a rat symbol on them if they are infected. If you hover over it, the tooltip for this disease symbol is “This character is a Plague Bearer.” I didn’t know they included a Nurgle caused plague in a game about real medieval times 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/12 "2009-05-18T13:07:03Z")
> [@incidental](#): > > Lest anyone think I am kidding, I assure you that I am not. I completely serious and very excited about the table. You’re not alone. I just spent 10 minutes reading some tables to see if anyone’s dying of leprosy lately. Tables rule. And yes, Jenny McCarthy needs a swift kick in the ass and maybe a good case of whooping cough to set her straight. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/13 "2009-05-18T13:18:36Z")
Applause for the OP. McCarthy and her ilk are morons. Help combat their stupidity with this website: > **[สล็อตเติม true wallet ฝากถอนไม่มีขั้นต่ำ 2024 เติมไว เล่นง่าย](https://givevaccines.org/)** > > สล็อตเติม true wallet ฝากถอนไม่มีขั้นต่ำ 2024 สำหรับใครที่กำลังมองหาวิธีเล่นสล็อตออนไลน์ที่ง่ายและสะดวกที่สุดในปี 2024 สล็อตเติม True Wallet ฝากถอนไม่มีขั้นต่ำ คือตัวเลือกที่ดีที่สุดของคุณ I’ve posted this extremely relevant study before but I’ll post it again. > [@](#): > > [http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/117/4/1028](http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/117/4/1028) > > The growing administrative prevalence of autism from 1994 to 2003 was associated with corresponding declines in the usage of other diagnostic categories. Autism seems to be on the rise largely because other diagnosis such as learning disabilities are now being reclassified as autism. ---
**Author:** ![LilyoftheValley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LilyoftheValley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilyoftheValley)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/14 "2009-05-18T13:21:26Z")
Fabulous OP. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Not only does the media give her plenty of totally unjustified coverage (why? because she’s a D-list celebrity and former porn star?), but now Oprah has arranged for Jenny to have [her own talk show](http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20276358,00.html?xid=rss-fullcontentcnn). Undoubtedly she will use this as a platform to get even more coverage for her cause, and probably will be watched by the same sort of audience that Oprah gets with their manatee-like intelligence who gobble up and sort of psuedoscientific or new age bullshit that spews from her rectum. One point about “media coverage” though. I was in a waiting room last week, and I found myself reading Reader’s Digest (why do waiting rooms carry Reader’s Digest, Good Housekeeping, and Golf Digest?). I always had the impression the Reader’s Digest was full of woo and “miracle” stories, so I was quite pleasantly surprised to see that they did a scientifically-based debunking of Jenny McCarthy and her vaccination crap. So there is some hope out there. ---
**Author:** ![Keweenaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/da6949/32.png) [@Keweenaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keweenaw)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/15 "2009-05-18T13:31:04Z")
‘Shit happens, get over it’, is not going to help parents make informed decisions. Too much anecdotal evidence exists that autism symptoms appear to coincide with vaccination schedules that happen at a certain age. McCarthy is not alone in her opinion, or in her experience with the of the timing of onset of symptoms. Faulty studies aren’t keeping this autism–vaccination connection alive, it’s the observations is of parents with children suffering from autism. I can understand how it could be difficult put the results of valid scientific studies over the shared experiences of other parents. Should people be smarter than that? Absolutely. Calling them stupid and evil will not get you there. An aggressive information campaign would certainly help, but only so far. The effective solution here is to find the real cause, and real solutions to autism. You’ll only be able to really combat this with by giving people something, not by taking something away. Faced with no other alternatives, is it any surprise that the desperate will grasp onto anything that might appear to explain things? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/16 "2009-05-18T14:02:35Z")
> [@Keweenaw](#): > > ‘Shit happens, get over it’, is not going to help parents make informed decisions. Of course it is. The reality is that we don’t know what causes autism and how to prevent it, if it’s possible at all. But we know there’s no correlation between autism and vaccines. The only informed decision in this case is to vaccinate your kids, unless they have a medical condition that makes vaccinations a bad idea for them. Saying “okay, there’s a 1/150 or 1/200 chance my kid will have autism, and since I don’t know the cause, there’s nothing I can do about it. There’s no reason to endanger my child in other ways that have no correlation with autism” is an informed decision. What informed decision do you think parents can make in regards to making up a false cause for autism that they can then prevent? > [@](#): > > Too much anecdotal evidence exists that autism symptoms appear to coincide with vaccination schedules that happen at a certain age. McCarthy is not alone in her opinion, or in her experience with the of the timing of onset of symptoms. Faulty studies aren’t keeping this autism–vaccination connection alive, it’s the observations is of parents with children suffering from autism. When you say “too much anecdotal evidence exist” are you contending that there actually is an autism-vaccine link? I don’t have a kid so I have no idea what substance there is behind this. Are there really frequent meetings between parents in which people often describe how their autism symptoms followed vaccinations? It seems like it’s more likely to be coincidence or confirmation bias - once you start hearing that vaccines cause autism, and your child has autism symptoms, in your mind you might go back and say “oh yeah, I guess they did start around the same time…” whether they did or not. Or it’s simply that kids start showing autism symptoms at roughly the same age that they get certain vaccinations. > [@](#): > > I can understand how it could be difficult put the results of valid scientific studies over the shared experiences of other parents. Should people be smarter than that? Absolutely. Calling them stupid and evil will not get you there. What can I do? I laid out a case in the OP that any reasonable person would most likely conclude indicates that vaccines and autism have no link. Even though this was a pitting of Oprah and McCarthy, I provided plenty of information about the subject. If anyone ever asks me about the subject, I will give them as much information as they want. That said, this is a pitting, and McCarthy is an evil and stupid woman. I mean really - how is “it’s okay if eradicated diseases come back and other kids die as long as my world view appears valid” not evil? > [@](#): > > An aggressive information campaign would certainly help, but only so far. The effective solution here is to find the real cause, and real solutions to autism. You’ll only be able to really combat this with by giving people something, not by taking something away. We may never find a cause or cure for autism. In regards to whether or not we should damage our kids in another way that has no link to autism, it is irrelevant if we do or not. Not vaccinating is a flawed idea on its own merits. What do you suggest? Obviously we’re already searching for a cause and cure to autism - until we find it, should any random stuff we want to do to our kids be on the table? > [@](#): > > Faced with no other alternatives, is it any surprise that the desperate will grasp onto anything that might appear to explain things? No, again, I tried to provide a plausible reason that people might feel that way in my OP. But it’s still wrong and bad, even if you can understand what makes them tick. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/17 "2009-05-18T14:06:58Z")
> [@Keweenaw](#): > > Faced with no other alternatives, is it any surprise that the desperate will grasp onto anything that might appear to explain things? “No other alternatives”? It’s right there in **LavenderBlue** ’s quote- there have always been autistic kids. It’s just that back in Uncle Frank’s day, the only possible diagnoses for developmental disorders were “stupid”, “retarded”, “possessed” and “crazy”. People marvel at how autism diagnosis rates have been steadily increasing since the 1950s, but never actually notice that that’s because the condition wasn’t described until 1947. However, I think this whole antivax movement might actually be a good thing. I’m aware that nonvaccinated kids pose a risk to vaccinated kids if there are enough of them, but I’m going to assume that the vaccinated kids are still more likely to survive. If the children of antivaxers die off at a higher rate, hey, survival of the smartest. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/18 "2009-05-18T14:22:54Z")
Great OP, Mr. Beef. I went to check Wikipedia’s Autism page after reading it, and was happy to see the following: “Although parents may first become aware of autistic symptoms in their child around the time of a routine vaccination, and parental concern about vaccines and autism has led to lower rates of childhood immunizations and higher likelihood of measles outbreaks, the theories that vaccines cause autism lack convincing scientific evidence and are biologically implausible.” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/19 "2009-05-18T15:09:22Z")
As a general principle, I never listen to the opinions of anyone who’s had sex with Jim Carrey. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/20 "2009-05-18T15:14:44Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > So she latched onto the idea that evil pharmaceutical corporations are poisoning our kids (how this benefits them, I don’t know). There’s a 1:1 tax credit on dollars spent on “Eeeeeeevil”, so why not? All the better to decrease actual tax dollars, making life tougher and folks more reliant on our product. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833.md?page=2)