# Jenny McCarthy gets a talk show (and the antivax movement) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 18, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833 "2009-05-18T07:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/121 "2009-05-28T17:32:33Z")
My question… Jenny McCarthy’s pretty young. Will she live to see either the discovery of the definitive cause of autism and/or a cure? Because that would be super awesome. Although she’d probably find some way to spin it in her favor and say it was that + vaccines or something. Also, my sister is an anti-vaxxer and I really want to rub it in her face. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/122 "2009-05-28T18:47:53Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > My question… Jenny McCarthy’s pretty young. Will she live to see either the discovery of the definitive cause of autism and/or a cure? Because that would be super awesome. Although she’d probably find some way to spin it in her favor and say it was that + vaccines or something. Yeah, it won’t matter. It’ll simply be that “Yes, that’s _one_ of the causes of autism”. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/123 "2009-05-28T19:40:56Z")
Like most CTers there comes a point where it’s hard to make the case that they aren’t just flat-out lying. This bitch has gone way beyond misguided knee-jerk reaction to horrible circumstance. I’m holding my 10-week old son now and the thought of this hurting him somehow sickens me. ---
**Author:** ![jakesteele](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@jakesteele](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jakesteele)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/124 "2009-05-29T21:22:11Z")
“She’s the celebrity spokesperson for the anti-vaccination movement” > **[Celeb Couple to Lead 'Green Vaccine' Rally](https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4987758)** > > Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey talk about autism march on "GMA." Why do you say she’s ‘anti-vacs’? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/125 "2009-05-29T21:57:35Z")
> [@jakesteele](#): > > “She’s the celebrity spokesperson for the anti-vaccination movement” > > [Celeb Couple to Lead 'Green Vaccine' Rally - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4987758) > > Why do you say she’s ‘anti-vacs’? Because she tells lies about the safety of current vaccinations. Why don’t you acknowledge that she’s anti-vax? ---
**Author:** ![jakesteele](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@jakesteele](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jakesteele)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/126 "2009-05-29T22:54:07Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Because she tells lies about the safety of current vaccinations. > > Why don’t you acknowledge that she’s anti-vax? Because she isn’t, she’s pro-green vacs. Did you read her website or watch the beginning of the Diane Sawyer interview? Anti means against. She’s not against them, she wants green vacs and less given at one time. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2009, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/127 "2009-05-29T22:56:43Z")
She’s still spreading lies about the current vaccines that have proven to be safe and effective, even if she advocates alternative vaccines. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/128 "2009-05-30T00:01:03Z")
> [@jakesteele](#): > > Because she isn’t, she’s pro-green vacs. She’s not pro-green vax, because what we have now is green. She’s pro-not-looking-like-a-complete-fraud-to-her-followers. She _has_ to know by now that she was dead wrong about her son, and about vaccines in general. But if she were to come out and say that, she she’d be admitting she was a fool to those who don’t already know it. So, she has to channel her crusade in another direction. Yeah, it’ll costs kids their lives, but that’s nothing compared to her image. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/129 "2009-05-30T00:01:06Z")
> [@jakesteele](#): > > Because she isn’t, she’s pro-green vacs. Did you read her website or watch the beginning of the Diane Sawyer interview? Anti means against. She’s not against them, she wants green vacs and less given at one time. \ I’m not against Jake Steele, I just want a Jake Steele who doesn’t abuse small animals, steal from blind orphans and eat babies. Why must you call me “anti Jake Steele”? Why? I just want an honest, decent Jake Steele\ ---
**Author:** ![jakesteele](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@jakesteele](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jakesteele)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/130 "2009-05-30T00:57:22Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > > > She’s not pro-green vax, because what we have now is green. She’s pro-not-looking-like-a-complete-fraud-to-her-followers. She _has_ to know by now that she was dead wrong about her son, and about vaccines in general. But if she were to come out and say that, she she’d be admitting she was a fool to those who don’t already know it. So, she has to channel her crusade in another direction. Yeah, it’ll costs kids their lives, but that’s nothing compared to her image. I am pro-democracy. Wait a minute, we already have a democracy; therefore, I am not pro-democracy. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/131 "2009-05-30T02:20:41Z")
> [@jakesteele](#): > > I am pro-democracy. Wait a minute, we already have a democracy; therefore, I am not pro-democracy. It’s at the “wait a minute, we already have a democracy” part where your analogy breaks down. Why would Ms. McCarthy be lobbying furiously for something she believes is already in place? ---
**Author:** ![vix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a88e4f/32.png) [@vix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vix)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/132 "2009-05-31T17:58:53Z")
A friend of mine just posted a link on our moms’ group message board to [this local news story](http://www.wptv.com/mostpopular/story/MMR-vaccinations-being-brought-to-court/fKRqinuFqEa98NV35OvLKA.cspx) about vaccines causing brain damage. The doctor quoted in that article is [Andrew Moulden](http://brainguardmd.com/). I can’t find any reputable information about him, either pro or con. Has anyone heard of him? I would like to make a post to the moms’ group board “proving” that this guy is a total loon. Which, of course, any reasonable person could tell by looking at his website. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/133 "2009-05-31T18:09:42Z")
> [@vix](#): > > [Andrew Moulden](http://brainguardmd.com/). > [@](#): > > ALL vaccinations cause immediate and delayed, acute and chronic, permanent and transient, disease and disorders that cut across all organ systems.Tissue damages are a result of impaired blood flow and blood 'sludging" in the microscopic vessels throughout the circulatory system. Autism, ADHD, Sudden infant death, Gardasil, Gulf war syndrome, specific learning disabilities, seizures and more. Side effects may include, but are not limited to: Headache, nausea, learning disabilities, other vaccinations, and war. ---
**Author:** ![vix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a88e4f/32.png) [@vix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vix)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/134 "2009-05-31T18:36:27Z")
I know, obviously he’s insane. But I am afraid he’s not _insane enough_ to convince some of the more extreme anti-vaxxers in my moms’ group, which is why I was looking for some other cite. Although, I guess in those cases, no source that you or I would consider reputable would be convincing. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/135 "2009-05-31T19:53:52Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Side effects may include, but are not limited to: Headache, nausea, learning disabilities, other vaccinations, and war. I have a healthbook like that. One of it’s health risks of alcohol is manslaughter. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/136 "2009-05-31T20:08:45Z")
> [@vix](#): > > A friend of mine just posted a link on our moms’ group message board to [this local news story](http://www.wptv.com/mostpopular/story/MMR-vaccinations-being-brought-to-court/fKRqinuFqEa98NV35OvLKA.cspx) about vaccines causing brain damage. The doctor quoted in that article is [Andrew Moulden](http://brainguardmd.com/). I can’t find any reputable information about him, either pro or con. Has anyone heard of him? I would like to make a post to the moms’ group board “proving” that this guy is a total loon. Which, of course, any reasonable person could tell by looking at his website. Well, I can guarantee you that “prove” anything – you’re likely dealing with the unconvinceable. However, you can let them know that Moulden is an equal-opportunity loon – in addition to spreading his crap regarding autism, he’s also a [9/11 truther](http://www.calgary911truth.org/my_weblog/2008/10/911-skeptics-resurface---national-post.html). ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/137 "2009-05-31T20:11:09Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Side effects may include, but are not limited to: Headache, nausea, learning disabilities, other vaccinations, and war. Hey, it all makes sense if you watch his DVDs. And don’t worry – the fact that he’s making $45+ off of each sucker he convinces to order them has nothing to do with it. No, really… ---
**Author:** ![vix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a88e4f/32.png) [@vix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vix)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/138 "2009-05-31T21:12:10Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > However, you can let them know that Moulden is an equal-opportunity loon – in addition to spreading his crap regarding autism, he’s also a [9/11 truther](http://www.calgary911truth.org/my_weblog/2008/10/911-skeptics-resurface---national-post.html). Oh good grief. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/139 "2009-05-31T21:20:31Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Well, I can guarantee you that “prove” anything – you’re likely dealing with the unconvinceable. > > However, you can let them know that Moulden is an equal-opportunity loon – in addition to spreading his crap regarding autism, he’s also a [9/11 truther](http://www.calgary911truth.org/my_weblog/2008/10/911-skeptics-resurface---national-post.html). Andrew Moulden is the new head of [The Canadian Action Party](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Action_Party). Check out YouTube for footage of him explaining his various political & scientific causes. (He’s a real Renaissance Dingbat.) I’d like to come out against brain damage, too. So–don’t mess with the YouTube stuff if you value your sanity; it hurt my head. Then I clicked over to Nat King Cole singing “Stardust” & the pain disappeared. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833/140 "2009-06-01T01:32:26Z")
> [@vix](#): > > I know, obviously he’s insane. But I am afraid he’s not _insane enough_ to convince some of the more extreme anti-vaxxers in my moms’ group, which is why I was looking for some other cite. Although, I guess in those cases, no source that you or I would consider reputable would be convincing. Facts do nothing to change these people’s minds- believe me, I know. It got to the point where I couldn’t even sit in the lobby of a couple of therapists’ offices, due to the insane rantings of these moms. I understand that you are scared and desperate, but that is no excuse for taking your brain out and leaving it by the side of the 405 to get run over by a truck… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jenny-mccarthy-gets-a-talk-show-and-the-antivax-movement/496833.md?page=8)