# Jeremiah Wright Steps In It Again **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393 "2009-06-10T23:32:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/21 "2009-06-11T03:19:59Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > You have to be fairly steeped in hatred to allow something like “them Jews” to trip so lightly off your tongue. Especially when speaking to a reporter. G’head and try it! “Them blacks” or “Them Mexicans.” It really is jarring…unless of course it’s all part of your daily lexicon. Oh, I see that apparently you really do want to talk about Rev. Wright. I had the impression you wanted to spend your time in this thread complaining about Obama, for some reason. OK. I guess we’re both really glad that Rev. Wright doesn’t have any particular position in the administration, then. Glad we could clear that up. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/22 "2009-06-11T03:30:27Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > OK. I guess we’re both really glad that Rev. Wright doesn’t have any particular position in the administration, then. Glad we could clear that up. I’m guessing this means you find Wright’s comments somewhat offensive, yes? Barack Obama listened to this guy on a weekly basis for _20 years_ and had to be convinced to cut all ties with his hateful sermons. Most of us only have to hear two words (“them Jews”) to understand that Wright is a foaming racist. Obama, dim bulb that he is, couldn’t make that connection over two decades! Gee, I wonder why…? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/23 "2009-06-11T03:43:56Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I’m guessing this means you find Wright’s comments somewhat offensive, yes? Barack Obama listened to this guy on a weekly basis for _20 years_ and had to be convinced to cut all ties with his hateful sermons. > > Most of us only have to hear two words (“them Jews”) to understand that Wright is a foaming racist. Obama, dim bulb that he is, couldn’t make that connection over two decades! Gee, I wonder why…? Ah, so now you actually do want to spend your time complaining about Obama. Jeez, man, make up your mind. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/24 "2009-06-11T04:02:27Z")
Wright didn’t say anything offensive that I ever heard. The only thing he was wrong about was the government causing AIDS, but that’s just paranoid, not offensive, and not that far fetched considering Tuskeegee. Obama cut ties with him for political expedience. It’s not politically relevant that Wright said nothing objectionable. The demonization of Wright was blatantly racist and phony, but the right succeeded in making it a media distraction for a few days, so Obama had to cut ties with him. Obama was only going to that church for political reasons anyway. It’s not like he actually cared what Wright said. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/25 "2009-06-11T04:11:04Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Obama was only going to that church for political reasons anyway. It’s not like he actually cared what Wright said. He didn’t care when he got married there? He didn’t care when Wright baptized his children? WTF? ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/26 "2009-06-11T04:11:38Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Obama was only going to that church for political reasons anyway. It’s not like he actually cared what Wright said. Oh, I’m sure it was just a passing fancy…kindly ignore those pesky wedding and baptism ceremonies ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/27 "2009-06-11T04:16:34Z")
I didn’t know I was a them. Good grief, Dio, change them Jews to them blacks and I dare you to tell it wasn’t offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/28 "2009-06-11T04:19:35Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > He didn’t care when he got married there? He didn’t care when Wright baptized his children? WTF? I didn’t care who married me or baptized my children. I don’t even know their names. I couldn’t have cared less. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/29 "2009-06-11T04:21:38Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I didn’t care who married me or baptized my children. I don’t even know their names. I couldn’t have cared less. What evidence do you have that Obama didn’t care about those things? Most people do. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/30 "2009-06-11T04:22:59Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I didn’t care who married me or baptized my children. I don’t even know their names. I couldn’t have cared less. says much… ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/31 "2009-06-11T04:25:31Z")
I always wonder about the religious convictions of someone like Obama. In the U.S., it’s virtually impossible to be elected to any national office (and to a lot of local offices) unless you make a show of being a “person of faith.” But Obama is clearly too intelligent to believe in the fairy tales for adults that churches dole out. So, are his past church attendance and periodic expressions of faith simply a nod to political necessity, or does his intellect actually have a “stupid corner?” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/32 "2009-06-11T04:26:12Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > I didn’t know I was a them. > > Good grief, Dio, change them Jews to them blacks and I dare you to tell it wasn’t offensive. Well, he was talking about specific Jews, and he’s an old black guy. It wasn’t the most graceful thing he could have said, but it’s not proof positive that he’s a raging antisemite. He has no history of making antisemitic or racist remarks. I think it’s akin to when my 90 year old grandmother talks about “those Vietnamese” at the supermarket. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/33 "2009-06-11T04:28:24Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > says much… What does it say? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/34 "2009-06-11T04:29:44Z")
> [@Early\_Out](#): > > But Obama is clearly too intelligent to believe in the fairy tales for adults that churches dole out. I like the fact that you’ve come up with only two possible explanations - he’s pretending, or he just has a corner of the mind where he’s thick. No possibility at all that a person might be religious and intelligent, of course - what a nonsensical idea. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/35 "2009-06-11T04:29:58Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > What evidence do you have that Obama didn’t care about those things? Most people do. What evidence do you have that he did care? These attempts to paint Obama as a racist by proxy didn’t work in the elction, so I see no point in trying to resurrecct them again now. Obama is just as white as he is black, by the way. Did you know that? ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/36 "2009-06-11T04:33:58Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > No possibility at all that a person might be religious and intelligent, of course - what a nonsensical idea. Well yes, I’ve always found that to be nonsensical. When an otherwise intelligent person expresses belief in total nonsense, I have to start looking for explanations. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/37 "2009-06-11T04:37:52Z")
Religion is simply watered-down, pre-digested ‘philosophy’ for those too timid to ponder the universe on their own. I think this about _all_ religious belief systems. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/38 "2009-06-11T04:42:30Z")
> [@Early\_Out](#): > > Well yes, I’ve always found that to be nonsensical. When an otherwise intelligent person expresses belief in total nonsense, I have to start looking for explanations. Yet your explanations assume your ideas are correct. An apparently intelligent person is religious - this cannot be so - ergo, they’re faking it or they’re actually stupid somehow. The idea that perhaps you’re wrong to suggest intelligence and religiousness can’t coexist didn’t seem to cross your mind, which is worrying, considering if you don’t take it into account, then you’ll never be able to prove that wrong if it is wrong. You have to look for _all_ the explanations if you really want to do the best job of studying something. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/39 "2009-06-11T04:44:56Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Religion is simply watered-down, pre-digested ‘philosophy’ for those too timid to ponder the universe on their own. I think this about _all_ religious belief systems. Thank you for watering down your own pre-digested “philosophy” for us. I think technically your post is also a call to ignore your post, which is interesting, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/40 "2009-06-11T04:53:00Z")
For the record, plenty of intelligent people are religious. Hell, they might even be _right_ about Heaven and the afterlife and what-have-you. How would I (or anyone else) really know for sure? It’s fine with me if someone would rather just buy into a pre-existing religion and be done with it. Heck, I even envy them to a degree. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393.md?page=3)