# Jeremiah Wright Steps In It Again **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393 "2009-06-10T23:32:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/161 "2009-06-12T01:05:04Z")
> [@Jodi](#): > > No religous implications to “Zionist” whatsoever, huh? No problem with Wright himself conflating “Zionists” with “the Jewish vote”? We’re talking about race, not religion, but no, Zionism is a political movement, not a race or a religion. There are atheist Zionists. There are Christian Zionists. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/162 "2009-06-12T01:07:42Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > We’re talking about race, not religion, but no, Zionism is a political movement, not a race or a religion. There are atheist Zionists. There are Christian Zionists. But Wright wasn’t talking about the athesit or Christian Zionists, was he? He called them Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/163 "2009-06-12T01:10:10Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You. Are. Scum. C’mon, **Finn** , the bottom line here (as always) is that **Diogenes** is psychologically/physiologically _incapable_ of conceding that anyone even remotely linked to the ideology he supports can do wrong. You can march the facts right up to him and smack him in the face with them, and he’ll just jump to a new set of equivocations. You will never get him to accept that Wright is a bigoted little turd with a bad case of verbal diarrhea, as unimportant an admission as that is in the general scheme of things. Give it up, man. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/164 "2009-06-12T01:15:08Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Give it up, man. You’re right. I’ve probably misread the ‘order of things’, so to speak. It isn’t so much that Diogenes condones anti-Semitism so he’s supporting Wright out of partisan loyalty, but out of partisan loyalty he’s supporting Wright and thereby finds himself condoning anti-Semitism. I do realize, of course, that he’s as likely to stop being a stubborn jackass as I am to levitate, but goddamn I’ve gotten a bellyfull of his bullshit recently and I suppose I ended up venting in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/165 "2009-06-12T01:18:23Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > We’re talking about race, not religion, but no, Zionism is a political movement, not a race or a religion. There are atheist Zionists. There are Christian Zionists. Zionism is a political movement that is inextricably bound with up with Judaism regardless of a minority of non-Jews in the movement, just as Israel as a country is inextricably bound up with Judaism regardless of the small minority of Christian or Palestinian Israelis. That is why “Zionists” is so frequently code for “Jews.” For you to ignore such a self-evident point seems disengenous. Even if the distiction between “Zionists” and “Jews” is sometimes helpful, and of course it is, it doesn’t save your argument in this case, when the person you are so oddly defending doesn’t even draw that distinction himself when he talks in the same breath about “Zionists” and “the Jewish vote.” ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/166 "2009-06-12T01:23:40Z")
And I say this with all due respect: I am _not_ calling you a racist, but if I were Jewish, I would be little disturbed by how hard you are working to make this incredibly inappropriate comment seem like it’s anything other than incredibly inappropriate. The fact that your biological father was Jewish only makes your zealous rationalizing even more odd. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/167 "2009-06-12T01:31:25Z")
I agree that it was inappropriate and mildly disturbing. I just don’t think it has to mean that he’s a raging bigot. He’s clearly got a problem with Israel/Zionism, but I think his problem is political (if a little overheated), not racist. I also still think he has a personal grudge against the people he (wrongly, imo) believes drove a wedge between Obama and himself, and so this is how he’s lashing out. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/168 "2009-06-12T01:40:44Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I agree that it was inappropriate and mildly disturbing. I just don’t think it has to mean that he’s a raging bigot. Well, I think the extent of his bigotry is open to question, but I do believe that he opened that question himself due to his remarks. But your problem in this thread IMO was that you were so quick to rush to defend him that you didn’t start with “yeah, that was inappropriate and mildly disturbing.” No, you started with a seemingly wide-eyed “Is the word ‘Jew’ offensive?” as if it can’t be, hasn’t been, used offensively for millenia, or as if, gee, you were unaware of that. > [@](#): > > He’s clearly got a problem with Israel/Zionism, but I think his problem is political (if a little overheated), not racist. So long as he keeps conflating Israel/Zionism with “them Jews” and/or “the Jewish vote,” neither he nor you should be surprised that his comments are indeed taken as racist. He is not nearly as careful with his language as you are on his behalf, and there’s no reason to think you know better than he does what he is talking about and meant to say. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/169 "2009-06-12T02:22:38Z")
I agree he should not be surprised that his comments were taken as racist. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/170 "2009-06-12T03:34:54Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I’m guessing this means you find Wright’s comments somewhat offensive, yes? Barack Obama listened to this guy on a weekly basis for _20 years_ and had to be convinced to cut all ties with his hateful sermons. > > Most of us only have to hear two words (“them Jews”) to understand that Wright is a foaming racist. Obama, dim bulb that he is, couldn’t make that connection over two decades! Gee, I wonder why…? Maybe because every Sunday, for 20 years, he did what every sane, rational man does in church. Sleep. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/171 "2009-06-12T04:32:16Z")
I know, what’s up with that shit? It’s getting to the point where a guy can’t even say, twice, that them Jews control the US government and then change his story and say he really meant to say, twice, that them Zionists control the US government without someone unfairly pointing out that it’s either racist bullshit or wacko conspiracy theory bullshit. What’s the world coming to when you can’t just accuse the Jews of controlling the government without people getting on your case? The code phrase ‘international bankers’ is still okay to use though, right? Because, man, them international bankers controllin’ the world is just pissing me off. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/172 "2009-06-12T05:21:56Z")
I really wish preachers would shut up about that crazy shit and just speak about talking snakes and boats with two of every animal on Earth and God sacrificing himself to himself to change laws he himself made. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/173 "2009-06-12T11:49:33Z")
I just want to say that ever since I first read this thread yesterday I’ve had the following going through my head: \*Them Jews, them Jews, them… **sly** Jews Them Jews, them Jews, them… **sly** Jews Them Jews, them Jews, them… **sly** Jews Now hear the word of the Lord… Them Jews, them Jews gonna… **block** him out Them Jews, them Jews gonna… **block** him out Them Jews, them Jews gonna… **block** him out Now hear the word of the Lord…\* Which makes sense, because we know those Jews are all connected…😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/174 "2009-06-12T11:59:10Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > We’re talking about race, not religion, but no, Zionism is a political movement, not a race or a religion. There are atheist Zionists. There are Christian Zionists. Zionist is often used as a code word for Jews as well. I don’t know what Wright thinks privately about Jews. I don’t much care, since the inspiration Obama took from him appears to be much greater than anything the man himself has to offer, and I’ve never given a crap about any president’s pastor. I do know what he said, and what he said comes off as firmly anti-Semitic. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/175 "2009-06-12T12:44:21Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > The code phrase ‘international bankers’ is still okay to use though, right? Because, man, them international bankers controllin’ the world is just pissing me off. Yep. National bankers, I got no problem with. But international bankers, that’s where I draw the line. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/176 "2009-06-12T12:47:55Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Yep. National bankers, I got no problem with. But international bankers, that’s where I draw the line. As long as we don’t toss out the _really_ good ones, like the diamond merchants and the Zionist Occupied Government. Kneel before ZOG! ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/177 "2009-06-12T13:22:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Kneel before ZOG! If you don’t kneel before ZOG, your weapons will be confiscated by BATFARM. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/178 "2009-06-12T14:11:12Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > As long as we don’t toss out the _really_ good ones, like the diamond merchants and the Zionist Occupied Government. Kneel before ZOG! Don’t forget _That Strange Group Behind The Media_\* and _The New Yorkers_. \*Rupert Murdoch and Conrad Black are honorary Jews ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/179 "2009-06-12T15:39:42Z")
After the election. Wright left Chicago and moved into the white house as spiritual adviser. When he speaks, he speaks for the entire administration and all democrats. When you hear him, think that is what Obama really thinks. Understand that all dems agree and back Wright. Shodan warned you before the election and you did not listen. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393/180 "2009-06-12T16:20:25Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Oh, I’m sure it was just a passing fancy…kindly ignore those pesky wedding and baptism ceremonies In all fairness to **Dio** , he cannot handle a President who is actively religious so would rather believe that it was a cynical political ploy by a Machiavellian mastermind who lived 20 years of his life planning and plotting his way to the White House. The idea that Wright said nothing offensive is preposterous. (God Damn America?) Just because you agree with him doesn’t make it inoffensive. The idea that Obama had no real connection to a church he attended for 20 years is also preposterous. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremiah-wright-steps-in-it-again/499393.md?page=10)