# Jeremy Corbyn is still a disaster **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 29, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239 "2016-09-29T21:13:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/21 "2016-10-05T17:49:39Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > In no paragraphs: Immigration is a net positive for our country and we should support it. I haven’t seen this view expressed anywhere at any time. I’ve seen people make the economic version - interpreting facts to suit a position, but never a claim this grand. You’ll remember 52% rejected the economic case made ad nauseum, that was largely because it missed the point - by several magnitudes. If you intend to maintain the bogus conflation of economic migrants and genuine asylum seekers you’ll be doing the same. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/22 "2016-10-05T19:03:28Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I haven’t seen this view expressed anywhere at any time. That’s kind of my point. Nobody in UK politics or media seems capable of arguing that immigration might be a good thing. Which is odd, because it is. I say nobody - [Anna Soubry](http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/10/05/it-s-time-we-named-and-shamed-those-fuelling-anti-immigrant) is good on this: > [@](#): > > “Instead of making them out as some pariahs we should be actually welcoming and as a party being true to what we have always believed in [which is that] we don’t care where you are from, we care about where you are going. We welcome everyone to our shores, particularly when they come to work and contribute to our great country.” > [@](#): > > I’ve seen people make the economic version - interpreting facts to suit a position, but never a claim this grand. > > You’ll remember 52% rejected the economic case made ad nauseum, that was largely because it missed the point - by several magnitudes. No, no, no. The EU referendum wasn’t about immigration, it was about sovereignty and trade with the world, remember? Joking aside (because obviously the Leave campaign with its scare stories of 75 million Turks was absolutely trying to whip up bogus concerns about immigration) it is still an \*enormous \*stretch to claim that every single one of the 52% was anti-immigration, or even that the economic case for immigration was a major part of the Remain campaign. > [@](#): > > If you intend to maintain the bogus conflation of economic migrants and genuine asylum seekers you’ll be doing the same. Not at all. Economic migrants are different from asylum seekers - and have a positive effect on Britain, not just economically but also socially. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/23 "2016-10-05T21:07:06Z")
Can we just impose Anna Soubry as leader of the country and be done with it? I swear she talks more sense than all the other politicians put together. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/24 "2016-10-05T22:19:48Z")
Looking at the party conference, I suspect we’ve just completed the coronation of Queen Theresa. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/25 "2016-10-06T03:17:10Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Oh okay, this graph is a little out-of-date, current membership is at 550,000. The rise is entiely since Corbyn’s election, and now exceeds the hundreds of thousands lost in the Blair years: > > [Labour Party (UK) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_%28UK%29#/media/File:Labour_Party_membership_graph.png) Up about 300,000, then. Got it - thanks. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/26 "2016-10-06T16:18:52Z")
Corbyn doing a shadow cabinet reshuffle. Not sure why he’s sacking the chief whip. > **[Jeremy Corbyn just sacked his chief whip - and started a reshuffle](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-reshuffle-chief-whip-rosie-winterton-sacked-jeremy-corbyn-after-six-years-nick-brown-blair-latest-a7348736.html)** > > Her replacement with Nick Brown triggered the start of a wide-ranging shadow cabinet reshuffle ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/27 "2016-10-06T18:50:20Z")
I can take a lot but Diane fucking Abbott? She’s not fit to be in charge of the gnomes at Homebase. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/28 "2016-10-07T12:13:33Z")
Tony Blair hints at a return to politics. I think he should. Someone has to take on Corbyn. Someone has to stand up for sanity with May’s new anti immigrant race to the right and hard Brexit. The Pound experienced a flash crash overnight. > **[Tony Blair couldn’t possibly return to politics. Or could he? | Mary Dejevsky](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/07/tony-blair-political-comeback-labour?CMP=fb_gu)** > > He is, for many, thoroughly damaged goods. But if anyone can pull off the big political comeback, it’s the former Labour prime minister ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/29 "2016-10-07T12:28:25Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I can take a lot but Diane fucking Abbott? She’s not fit to be in charge of the gnomes at Homebase. I now understand why Andrew Neil says her name with such open incredulity, as I keep doing the same every time I hear the news. > [@dalej42](#): > > Tony Blair hints at a return to politics. I think he should. Someone has to take on Corbyn. And I’m sure he’ll be greeted with all the openness and warmth he deserves. By which I mean they’ll throw him into a fiery open pit. Even (or especially) compared to Corbyn, Blair is _not_ popular amongst the Labour faithful. ---
**Author:** ![Busy\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@Busy\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Busy_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/30 "2016-10-07T13:25:11Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Tony Blair hints at a return to politics. I think he should. Someone has to take on Corbyn. Someone has to stand up for sanity with May’s new anti immigrant race to the right and hard Brexit. The Pound experienced a flash crash overnight. > > [Tony Blair couldn’t possibly return to politics. Or could he? | Mary Dejevsky | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/07/tony-blair-political-comeback-labour?CMP=fb_gu) Now that Thatcher is dead, Blair is the recipient for the left’s two minutes hate. He is despised. I don’t go in for this ritual myself, but no one can argue with the Iraq war being rightly seen as his epitaph. A colossal error that has eclipsed everything else he accomplished - there is no way back. He sums up the current rabble with characteristic clarity, mind: _The reason why the position of these guys is not one that will appeal to an electorate is not because they are too left, or because they are too principled. It’s because they are too wrong. The reason their policies shouldn’t be supported isn’t because they’re wildly radical, it’s because they are not. They don’t work. They are actually a form of conservatism. This is the point about them. What they are offering is a mixture of fantasy and error._ From here: [Tony Blair says his return to British politics is an open question | Tony Blair | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/tony-blair-says-his-return-to-british-politics-is-an-open-question) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/31 "2016-10-07T14:26:46Z")
> [@Busy\_Scissors](#): > > Now that Thatcher is dead, Blair is the recipient for the left’s two minutes hate. He is despised. > I don’t go in for this ritual myself, but no one can argue with the Iraq war being rightly seen as his epitaph. A colossal error that has eclipsed everything else he accomplished - there is no way back. You’re giving a rather mixed message here. Is the hatred against Blair the irrationality of the baying mob against a cartoonish strawman, or is it legitimate anger against a demonstrable scoundrel? Do the mob scorn him because he is Scapegoat of the Month, or do they despise him because he led the country into a war on false pretexts whilst carrying out an extremely dirty campaign of slander and discreditation against those who pointed out the falseness of those pretexts? And does this only apply to Blair? Are they at least permitted to scorn Campbell and Mandelson? Or is there a statute of limitations on anger against unpunished malfeasance? When do people lose the right to complain about injustice? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/32 "2016-10-07T17:46:30Z")
I despise Blair with the best of them but there is no doubt his administrations were outstanding periods for both NHS and school investment. In particular, what’s happened with London state schools, now understood and supported by even centre right Tories\*, is bloody fantastic. But Iraq will always overshadow everything, as it should. - the grammer school issue has been an unfortunate distraction caused by a new official allowing a random photo to be taken of a partial doc ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/33 "2016-10-08T19:30:22Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Tony Blair hints at a return to politics. I think he should. Someone has to take on Corbyn. Someone has to stand up for sanity with May’s new anti immigrant race to the right and hard Brexit. The Pound experienced a flash crash overnight. > > [Tony Blair couldn’t possibly return to politics. Or could he? | Mary Dejevsky | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/07/tony-blair-political-comeback-labour?CMP=fb_gu) Yeah and it shouldn’t be the political equivalent of a poisoned chalice. There’s plenty others who would be able to do it. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/34 "2016-12-21T18:24:02Z")
Labour MP Jamie Reed is going to resign from Parliament and others may also leave before the next general election in 2020. Perhaps some more by-election losses will finally be the impetus to push Corbyn out. [https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/81914/excl-labour-mps-say-jamie-reeds](https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/81914/excl-labour-mps-say-jamie-reeds) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/35 "2016-12-26T22:14:29Z")
> [@Busy\_Scissors](#): > > Now that Thatcher is dead, Blair is the recipient for the left’s two minutes hate. He is despised. > I don’t go in for this ritual myself, but no one can argue with the Iraq war being rightly seen as his epitaph. A colossal error that has eclipsed everything else he accomplished - there is no way back. > > He sums up the current rabble with characteristic clarity, mind: > > _The reason why the position of these guys is not one that will appeal to an electorate is not because they are too left, or because they are too principled. It’s because they are too wrong. > The reason their policies shouldn’t be supported isn’t because they’re wildly radical, it’s because they are not. They don’t work. They are actually a form of conservatism. This is the point about them. What they are offering is a mixture of fantasy and error._ > > From here: [Tony Blair says his return to British politics is an open question | Tony Blair | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/tony-blair-says-his-return-to-british-politics-is-an-open-question) I agree with Tony Blair in this: Power is won on the battlefield or in elections, not by “direct action” and street demonstrations _per se._ (Demonstrations might inspire voter turnout, however, so maybe don’t knock them too hard.) That said, the 1990’s “Third Way” movement needs to be knocked down and kicked in the testicles repeatedly. Social democracy was already a “third way” between Marxism and\* laissez-faire.\* Blair & Clinton were more like Reagan with better fiscal policies and some vague gestures toward QUILTBAG rights; in short, they were really classical liberals. That’s not a Third Way; that’s just the old right-of-center–the right wing industrial policy, run with better math than we’d get from a deluded Reagan type, but perhaps worse economics than we’d have gotten from a pre-1980 conservative. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/36 "2016-12-27T18:18:22Z")
Owen Smith is still receiving death threats for attempting to challenge Corbyn for the Labour leadership. Looks like Corbyn attracts some of the same crazy far left as Bernie Sanders did and they’re willing to threaten violence against anyone who opposes their Messiah. > **[Owen Smith 'still receiving death threats' after leadership bid against...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/owen-smith-still-receiving-death-threats-after-leadership-bid-against-jeremy-corbyn-a7496471.html)** > > ‘I had police at my surgery last Friday because of some of the death threats I’ve had,’ he said Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/37 "2017-01-03T10:58:04Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Labour MP Jamie Reed is going to resign from Parliament and others may also leave before the next general election in 2020. Perhaps some more by-election losses will finally be the impetus to push Corbyn out. > [https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/81914/excl-labour-mps-say-jamie-reeds](https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/81914/excl-labour-mps-say-jamie-reeds) Corbyn will be pushed out when there is a better alternative and not before. Owen Smith was not that alternative. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/38 "2017-01-03T17:51:25Z")
[Labour could fall below 150 seats](https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/82029/labour-could-fall-below-150-seats-next-election) Wonderful, at a critical time for the United Kingdom, there is no credible opposition. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/39 "2017-01-03T18:52:37Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > [Labour could fall below 150 seats](https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/82029/labour-could-fall-below-150-seats-next-election) > > Wonderful, at a critical time for the United Kingdom, there is no credible opposition. Both UKIP and the Lib Dems are trying to muscle in. The SNP have already taken over in Scotland. Or should I say that the Tories have taken over from Labour in Scotland? ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239/40 "2017-01-03T20:32:03Z")
I’ve said it before, cometh the hour, cometh the Dan > **[Dan Jarvis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jarvis)** > > Daniel Owen Woolgar Jarvis MBE (born 30 November 1972) is a British Labour Party politician and former British Army officer who has served as the Member of Parliament (MP) for Barnsley Central since 2011. He also served as the Mayor of South Yorkshire (formerly Mayor of the Sheffield City Region) from 2018 to 2022 and was a member of the Parachute Regiment from 1997 to 2011. > Daniel Owen Woolgar Jarvis was born in Nottingham on 30 November 1972, the son of a lecturer at a teacher-training coll... He is perfect, and yet languishes in obscurity. I guess people like him have determined that the only way to defeat Corbyn is for him to be extinguished by the general electorate, so that Labour will eventually come out of it’s self induced coma. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-is-still-a-disaster/767239.md?page=3)