# Jeremy Corbyn: Next UK Labour Party Leader? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 11, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580 "2015-08-11T18:33:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/181 "2015-09-21T13:52:24Z")
you can’t help but have fun with this; it’s been years since I laughed this much on a Monday morning. All of it puerile/juvenile. Wonderful knockabout stuff. As pointed out above, Parliament is in recess because of the party conference season. Lib Dems this week. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/182 "2015-09-21T14:04:44Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > In it’s online edition The Independent has 10, yes 10, stories dealing with todays “allegations” about Cameron. The Guardian has a similar number. > [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/) > > [http://www.theguardian.com/politics](http://www.theguardian.com/politics) > > Can we now assume the new era of politics is over? We are back to dealing with sleaze, titillation and insinuation. Playing the man(or pig) is back; playing the ball was \*so \*yesterday. Did the Independent or the Guardian commit to the new era of politics, or promise to play the ball not the man? ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/183 "2015-09-21T14:29:34Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Did the Independent or the Guardian commit to the new era of politics, or promise to play the ball not the man? I don’t believe they have an official policy on the matter. However, enough of their contributors will have signed up on the Corbyn bandwagon to make my suggestion of hypocrisy relevant. An even larger percentage of readers of both papers, and twitterati contributors, will also have backed the campaign for a new type of politics. You don’t post 10 stories online unless you believe these same readers and social media community will be clicking on your stories with a great amount of zeal. In fact one of them has said as much in this thread. Sure, Up the Junction looks at this story as small fry(it really is difficult to write about this story without a hint of a double entendre somewhere) but the attempt to smear and ridicule political opponents is being attempted by the media and political activists today in spades. Im not entirely against smearing opponents. I think a great deal of good is done by ridiculing and undermining politicians. However, I simply think it ought to be pointed out when one side claim it an unfair practice yet are quite happy to indulge in it when it suits them. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/184 "2015-09-21T14:59:30Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > I don’t believe they have an official policy on the matter. However, enough of their contributors will have signed up on the Corbyn bandwagon to make my suggestion of hypocrisy relevant. An even larger percentage of readers of both papers, and twitterati contributors, will also have backed the campaign for a new type of politics. You don’t post 10 stories online unless you believe these same readers and social media community will be clicking on your stories with a great amount of zeal. In fact one of them has said as much in this thread. Sure, Up the Junction looks at this story as small fry(it really is difficult to write about this story without a hint of a double entendre somewhere) but the attempt to smear and ridicule political opponents is being attempted by the media and political activists today in spades. > > Im not entirely against smearing opponents. I think a great deal of good is done by ridiculing and undermining politicians. However, I simply think it ought to be pointed out when one side claim it an unfair practice yet are quite happy to indulge in it when it suits them. Oh, I think there’s no small number of people gleefully retweeting this story who were calling “smear” last week over the latest OTT anti-Corbyn story. But I don’t think you can really say that covering what is, let’s face it, the only news story anyone’s going to remember today is evidence of hypocrisy on behalf of the papers. It’s a story about the PM fucking a pig - of course people are going to click on it. The Sun has three separate stories from the biography on its homepage - are they indulging in leftist smearing or are they just reporting a major story. “Enough of their contributors will have signed on” is pretty weak, especially as contributors won’t be setting editorial policy. How many contributors have explicitly endorsed Corbyn’s specific approach to politics and media? Above all, the new style of politics comes from Corbyn down - I’d wait till he puts the boot in on this before claiming it’s dead. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/185 "2015-09-21T15:18:36Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Oh, I think there’s no small number of people gleefully retweeting this story who were calling “smear” last week over the latest OTT anti-Corbyn story. But I don’t think you can really say that covering what is, let’s face it, the only news story anyone’s going to remember today is evidence of hypocrisy on behalf of the papers. It’s a story about the PM fucking a pig - of course people are going to click on it. The Sun has three separate stories from the biography on its homepage - are they indulging in leftist smearing or are they just reporting a major story. > > \*\*“Enough of their contributors will have signed on” is pretty weak, \*\*especially as contributors won’t be setting editorial policy. How many contributors have explicitly endorsed Corbyn’s specific approach to politics and media? > > Above all, the new style of politics comes from Corbyn down - I’d wait till he puts the boot in on this before claiming it’s dead. Just so we are accurate here, no real pig fucking(or almost anyones definition of pig fucking) was involved. What was allegedly involved was exactly what I would expect at a secret society of rich privilleged libertarians named after a rich, privilleged libertarian homosexual. David Cameron getting his rocks off at sexing up a pig this was not. This was good old fashioned frat stuff as hopefully Boris Johnson, George Osbourne and Darius Guppy cheered him on. I agree, it was a bit weak from me. I still believe a number of contributors to The Guardian will have signed up to the “new era of politics” line. I really can’t be arsed going through either papers editorial line. However, im as certain as the day is long that both papers will rightly condemn “playing the man” form of politics when it suits them, especially when that man is politically in line with their own views. I disagree that this new politics comes from Corbyn down. We cant expect Corbyn’s opponents to hold fire whilst various allies(and his footsoldiers on social media) of his do all the dirty work. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/186 "2015-09-21T17:28:23Z")
There’s a world of difference between political smearing an opponent and a Tory grandee (£8 million worth) telling the world the Tory PM fucked a pig. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/187 "2015-09-21T17:29:35Z")
- and, btw, I don’t think I’ve ever written such a satisfying sentence in my life. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/188 "2015-09-21T17:40:02Z")
£8 million ? Try £954,746,342.40. It’s on Google if one types _Ashcroft_, Net worth: 1.48 billion USD (2015) Forbes ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/189 "2015-09-21T17:45:58Z")
I was talking about his _known_ campaign contributions. Chiefly as a non dom. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/190 "2015-09-21T21:12:03Z")
Sticking his dick in a pig’s mouth didn’t harm Clinton, so I doubt it’ll harm Cameron. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/191 "2015-09-21T21:20:17Z")
Not sure that’s edgy enough any more **Steophan**. Maybe try some racist humor? ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/192 "2015-09-21T21:20:55Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Sticking his dick in a pig’s mouth didn’t harm Clinton, so I doubt it’ll harm Cameron. Crikey. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/193 "2015-09-21T22:14:20Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Just so we are accurate here, no real pig fucking(or almost anyones definition of pig fucking) was involved. What was allegedly involved was exactly what I would expect at a secret society of rich privilleged libertarians named after a rich, privilleged libertarian homosexual. David Cameron getting his rocks off at sexing up a pig this was not. This was good old fashioned frat stuff as hopefully Boris Johnson, George Osbourne and Darius Guppy cheered him on. > > I agree, it was a bit weak from me. I still believe a number of contributors to The Guardian will have signed up to the “new era of politics” line. I really can’t be arsed going through either papers editorial line. However, im as certain as the day is long that both papers will rightly condemn “playing the man” form of politics when it suits them, especially when that man is politically in line with their own views. > > I disagree that this new politics comes from Corbyn down. We cant expect Corbyn’s opponents to hold fire whilst various allies(and his footsoldiers on social media) of his do all the dirty work. Where’s your sense of snoutrage? Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/194 "2015-09-21T22:29:04Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Sticking his dick in a pig’s mouth didn’t harm Clinton, so I doubt it’ll harm Cameron. There was a lot on Twitter today. Maybe pick something a little classier next time. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/195 "2015-09-22T14:27:45Z")
He fucked that pig until his eyes rolled back in his head and he screamed in champaign addled pig-fuck ecstasy. And they’re not libertarians, they’re aristocrats. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/196 "2015-09-23T00:42:26Z")
[This pig thing . . . not exactly the break Labour has been waiting for, I know, but, still . . .](http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/the_most_bizarre_political_scandal_of_the_decade_why_has_david_cameron_been_accused_of_um_defiling_a_dead_pig/) > [@](#): > > Beyond its amazing shock value, the Piggate story has some clear political risks for Cameron. The revelations–assuming they’re true, and how lame would it be not to assume they’re true?–are even more damaging because they play into one of the more challenging aspects of Cameron’s identity: his outlandishly elite background. He has already had to endure years of scrutiny thanks to his membership of the Bullingdon Club, a secret Oxford society whose habits are beyond parody. > > (The Bullingdon Club’s most famous tradition is the trashing of local pubs. After the lads—dressed in tailcoats—are done smashing the place to bits, they then slip the proprietors some cash and leave.) > > A photo of the club’s members which includes Cameron has become one of the most notorious images in modern British political history. He has chalked up his participation in this charming group to youthful boisterousness. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/197 "2015-09-23T00:46:34Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > And they’re not libertarians, they’re aristocrats. “I am an aristocrat. I love liberty, I hate equality.” – [John Randolph of Roanoke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Randolph_of_Roanoke#Quotes) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/198 "2015-09-23T00:47:56Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Crikey. Cor blimey! ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/199 "2015-09-23T09:04:14Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > I don’t believe they have an official policy on the matter. However, enough of their contributors will have signed up on the Corbyn bandwagon to make my suggestion of hypocrisy relevant. An even larger percentage of readers of both papers, and twitterati contributors, will also have backed the campaign for a new type of politics. You don’t post 10 stories online unless you believe these same readers and social media community will be clicking on your stories with a great amount of zeal. In fact one of them has said as much in this thread. Sure, Up the Junction looks at this story as small fry(it really is difficult to write about this story without a hint of a double entendre somewhere) but the attempt to smear and ridicule political opponents is being attempted by the media and political activists today in spades. > > Im not entirely against smearing opponents. I think a great deal of good is done by ridiculing and undermining politicians. However, I simply think it ought to be pointed out when one side claim it an unfair practice yet are quite happy to indulge in it when it suits them. So even though it was right-wing newspapers that broke this story, and even though the papers you mention are really not pro-Corbyn, and even though Corbyn dislikes the mainstream press and didn’t even give any of them an interview after he was selected, this story is somehow the fault of Corbyn’s team? Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/200 "2015-09-23T09:37:35Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > So even though it was right-wing newspapers that broke this story, and even though the papers you mention are really not pro-Corbyn, and even though Corbyn dislikes the mainstream press and didn’t even give any of them an interview after he was selected, this story is somehow the fault of Corbyn’s team? Huh? I think he’s referring to social media users who are Corbyn fans who are gleefully propping up the story. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580.md?page=11)