# Jeremy Corbyn: Next UK Labour Party Leader? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 11, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580 "2015-08-11T18:33:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/201 "2015-09-23T09:53:49Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > “I am an aristocrat. I love liberty, I hate equality.” > > – [John Randolph of Roanoke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Randolph_of_Roanoke#Quotes) “The old families of Virginia will form connections with low people, and sink into the mass of overseers’ sons and daughters”. - same toff. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/202 "2015-09-23T09:56:17Z")
Cameron got stoned of his face too - like any other student. And then there’s Osborne’s dominatrix and coke, but let’s not get sidetracked. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/203 "2015-09-23T10:40:33Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > but let’s not get sidetracked. No indeed. There is something else here: Ashcroft’s tax dodging, why Cameron’s people were less than duly diligent when he started to come into prominence in the Tories’ inner circles, and how and why he came to believe what he did for them would lead to a ministerial job. (These are rhetorical questions, since obviously the answer’s money; but it also raises questions about Cameron’s laxity and, if it’s not an unfortunate word in relation to this story, slipperiness). ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/204 "2015-09-23T10:52:34Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > I think he’s referring to social media users who are Corbyn fans who are gleefully propping up the story. “propping up”? Like the Prime Minister of the UK fucking a pig needs propping up? ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/205 "2015-09-23T11:10:16Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > “propping up”? > > Like the Prime Minister of the UK fucking a pig needs propping up? I actually struggled to find a single phrase that describes “re-tweeting, discussing and laughing” in one bound. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/206 "2015-09-23T11:25:07Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > I actually struggled to find a single phrase that describes “re-tweeting, discussing and laughing” in one bound. …how much is that photo worth ? Let’s start the bidding at £10,000,000 £15,000,000 to the Russian gentleman. Any improvements ? ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/207 "2015-09-23T11:33:55Z")
[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPkkYO5WoAAZaYK.png:large](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPkkYO5WoAAZaYK.png:large) ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/208 "2015-09-23T11:56:33Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > No indeed. There is something else here: Ashcroft’s tax dodging, why Cameron’s people were less than duly diligent when he started to come into prominence in the Tories’ inner circles, and how and why he came to believe what he did for them would lead to a ministerial job. (These are rhetorical questions, since obviously the answer’s money; but it also raises questions about Cameron’s laxity and, if it’s not an unfortunate word in relation to this story, slipperiness). Even Thatcher had some psychopathic substance. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/209 "2015-09-23T12:45:58Z")
It was getting to the point where I was expecting the next Telegraph headline to scream that Corbyn was a Muslim born in Kenya. Nice for #jezwecan to have a few days break before the party conference which I hope, probably unrealistically, the party manages to a properly professional standard. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/210 "2015-09-23T13:26:42Z")
It was Cameron’s own party doing the pig thing to him, though. I guess they’re getting bored with him. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/211 "2015-09-24T08:31:17Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > I think he’s referring to social media users who are Corbyn fans who are gleefully propping up the story. He was referring to the Indy and the Guardian. I suspect a lot of the social media users laughing about this aren’t pro-Corbyn at all because _everyone_’s laughing at this. You don’t have to be partisan to find the prime minister putting his penis in a pig funny. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/212 "2015-09-24T11:19:21Z")
I agree people across the political specturm found the ide of the Prime Minister fucking a pig amusing. It didn’t have to be political, Cameron is seen by very many Tories to be an arrogant, bullying toff. An awful lot of schadenfreude floating round. But also, politically, the Tory attack dogs were pulled off of Corbyn as soon as they got word of the Mail’s timeline. > [@PatrickLondon](#): > > No indeed. There is something else here: Ashcroft’s tax dodging, why Cameron’s people were less than duly diligent when he started to come into prominence in the Tories’ inner circles, and how and why he came to believe what he did for them would lead to a ministerial job… Yep, it’s money in the bank for later: Cameron’s Cash for Questions. The only issue is that Osbourn and not Cameron will likely lead the party at the next election, so when do you use it … ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/213 "2015-09-24T19:14:24Z")
…reading Daily Mail hit piece…brutal. > **[The question vexing colleagues... Does PM believe in anything?](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3245467/LORD-ASHCROFT-Chilling-endless-hols-Low-brow-box-sets-question-vexing-colleagues-Does-PM-believe-anything.html)** > > For all the talk of tackling the deficit and creating a ‘Big Society’, voters remained confused about his purpose, write MICHAEL ASHCROFT and ISABEL OAKSHOTT. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/214 "2015-09-24T19:50:29Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > …reading Daily Mail hit piece…brutal. > [Does Prime Minister David Cameron believe in anything? LORD ASHCROFT writes | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3245467/LORD-ASHCROFT-Chilling-endless-hols-Low-brow-box-sets-question-vexing-colleagues-Does-PM-believe-anything.html) That is pretty brutal, but I do wonder about the 14 holidays in just over three years criticism in the article. I think he rarely takes more than a week at a time. Let’s say that’s 17 weeks out of 156 - that doesn’t strike me as being excessive _at all_ for someone with a stressful, complex, potentially all hours of the day and night, 7 days a week sort of job. Actually, that’s about the statutory minimum for the UK. People need some sort of time off for their health, and the man does have his family life to consider. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/215 "2015-09-24T19:58:36Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > That is pretty brutal, but I do wonder about the 14 holidays in just over three years criticism in the article. I think he rarely takes more than a week at a time. Let’s say that’s 17 weeks out of 156 - that doesn’t strike me as being excessive _at all_ for someone with a stressful, complex, potentially all hours of the day and night, 7 days a week sort of job. Actually, that’s about the statutory minimum for the UK. People need some sort of time off for their health, and the man does have his family life to consider. The Mail, is of course, on a mission to undermine Bumface, and I have no time for him - but I agree with this. In principle, there’s a lot to be said for non-workaholic ministers. It gives them less time to tinker around making things worse just to look busy, and one hopes they might have more time to develop a hinterland outside politics and administration, and actually _think_ a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/216 "2015-09-24T20:49:12Z")
It’s as if the Tories enjoyed being in opposition for nearly 20 years, and are trying to speed up the process by having one of their own be allowed so brazenly to character assassinate their leader. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/217 "2015-09-24T21:44:12Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > It’s as if the Tories enjoyed being in opposition for nearly 20 years, and are trying to speed up the process by having one of their own be allowed so brazenly to character assassinate their leader. Pretty interesting that it says Cameron and Osborne are into politics purely as a game and not to achieve anything, which is pretty much the impression they give. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/218 "2015-09-24T21:45:23Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > The Mail, is of course, on a mission to undermine Bumface, and I have no time for him - but I agree with this. In principle, there’s a lot to be said for non-workaholic ministers. It gives them less time to tinker around making things worse just to look busy, and one hopes they might have more time to develop a hinterland outside politics and administration, and actually _think_ a bit. Why are they out for him, would you say ? Too pro-Europe and socially liberal ? ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/219 "2015-09-24T22:08:16Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > Why are they out for him, would you say ? Too pro-Europe and socially liberal ? Bingo! Metropolitan elites, “Sam Cam has a tattoo _sniff_” etc etc. John Major identified them accurately as “bastards” when he was PM, and they are still there, in the parliamentary party, in the local associations, and in the popular press. 1950s throwbacks, basically. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/220 "2015-09-24T22:39:41Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Bingo! Metropolitan elites, “Sam Cam has a tattoo _sniff_” etc etc. John Major identified them accurately as “bastards” when he was PM, and they are still there, in the parliamentary party, in the local associations, and in the popular press. 1950s throwbacks, basically. But did you notice also - the Queen’s input on the Scottish referendum - because people keep telling me that the Monarch has no power any more. Which is funny because politicians seem to pay awfully close attention to what she thinks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580.md?page=12)