# Jeremy Corbyn: Next UK Labour Party Leader? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 11, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580 "2015-08-11T18:33:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/101 "2015-09-14T14:45:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Taking the usual partisan potshots, sure. But the Conservatives are engaged in an active campaign of anti-Corbynism to an extent far beyond anything we saw under Miliband. The Telegraph and the Murdoch press have been positively incoherent lately in their frothing determination to portray Corbyn in the worst possibly light. The Tories didn’t take Miliband that seriously. They’re taking Corbyn seriously. I think it’s the way in which thousands suddenly flocked into the labour party, whereas Miliband didn’t inspire such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/102 "2015-09-14T14:49:09Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Corbyn stands for everything the Telegraph and Murdoch press hate and he’s made himself very, very vulnerable. I don’t think it’s so much that they take him seriously as that they regard tearing down ageing socialists as the Lord’s work. > > As for the Tories, I’m sure they can see themselves getting a Blair '97 style majority if they put the boot in early and often. It doesn’t mean they think they’re going to lose to Corbyn if they don’t. The big thing the left, or Corbyn’s section of it, misses is any major media backing. Nothing like the Murdoch behemoth. The nearest they have is the Guardian and that’s more centre right/corporate. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/103 "2015-09-14T15:05:43Z")
Well, there’s always the Morning Star. Bwahahahaha! ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/104 "2015-09-14T15:20:54Z")
Ar last a mensch in British politics. How few I would agree with him on anything, Corbyn is real; and he’s not a neoliberal social democrat slucking on to the demented policy of austerity for all. The SNP are toast, and Cameron and his sad little crew will be condemned to the dustbin of history as much as those wretched little tory-lites slighted from Corbyn’s putative cabinet, running into the darkness. Wasn’t it Pompey who, almost imprudently in the circumstances, — and definitely in bad taste, not something untypical for him ---- told Sulla that men worship the rising in preference to the setting sun ? Blairism is dead. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/105 "2015-09-14T15:46:01Z")
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yo4GYZASWw) ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/106 "2015-09-14T15:51:17Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > Ar last a mensch in British politics. > > How few I would agree with him on anything, Corbyn is real; and he’s not a neoliberal social democrat slucking on to the demented policy of austerity for all. > > The SNP are toast, and Cameron and his sad little crew will be condemned to the dustbin of history as much as those wretched little tory-lites slighted from Corbyn’s putative cabinet, running into the darkness. > > Wasn’t it Pompey who, almost imprudently in the circumstances, — and definitely in bad taste, not something untypical for him ---- told Sulla that men worship the rising in preference to the setting sun ? Blairism is dead. Are you for real? The situation is as such that people will start to mourn the demise of Blarism by Corbyns appointments of radical left-wingers. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/107 "2015-09-14T15:52:16Z")
[quote=“MrQwertyasd, post:105, topic:727580”] [/QUOTE] Forty seconds into that video and I still see nothing about “enhancing the political debate” or “playing the ball not the man” new politics from the left. Yet as soon as someone takes a verbal potshot at Corbyn it’s all _so_ unfair. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/108 "2015-09-14T16:00:40Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Are you for real? The situation is as such that people will start to mourn the demise of Blarism by Corbyns appointments of radical left-wingers. **Some** will, of course, just as some would mourn if Labour had held the Blairist course. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/109 "2015-09-14T16:32:12Z")
Hey, maybe he can be elected and enact the kinds of policies that made Venezuela so successful under Chavez. Because nationalizing industry works so well. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/110 "2015-09-14T16:55:54Z")
No question about it, this Corbyn guy is a freakin’ radical. Here’s some of the crazy shit he says: > [@](#): > > Recognise your obligations in law, that would be good. Recognise your obligations to help people which you’re required to do by law, that would be good. > > But above all, open your hearts and open your minds and open your attitude towards supporting people who are desperate, who need somewhere safe to live, want to contribute to our society, and are human beings just like all of us. Together in peace, together in justice, together in humanity, that surely must be our way forward. And: > [@](#): > > Tragically wars don’t end when the last bullet is fired, or the last bomb is dropped. The mourning and the loss of all soldiers of all uniforms goes on. The mourning and the loss of families that lost loved ones because of bombardments and fighting, that goes on. The refugees move on and on, and there are whole generations of refugees around the world that are victims of various wars. > > Surely, surely, surely, our objective ought to be to find peaceful solutions to the problems of this world, to spend our resources on helping people, not hindering people and to try and bring about that world of decency, humans rights and justice. What a hippie flower-child. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/111 "2015-09-14T17:02:17Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Hey, maybe he can be elected and enact the kinds of policies that made Venezuela so successful under Chavez. Yes, because the two countries’ situations are directly comparable. > [@](#): > > Because nationalizing industry works so well. Renationalising the railways is insanely easy - just let the franchise contracts expire. There are even mechanisms already in place for government operation, which were necessary in the event of contractual default. The utilities are another matter entirely, although ironically some of the privatised British utility companies are now owned by _other countries’ governments_ (i.e. EDF). Because privatising industry works so well. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/112 "2015-09-14T17:16:19Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Hey, maybe he can be elected and enact the kinds of policies that made Venezuela so successful under Chavez. Because traditional right-wing, capitalist-friendly juntas provide a better governance… > [@](#): > > Because nationalizing industry works so well. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/113 "2015-09-14T17:24:04Z")
So, when is the next election, and what will this sea-change mean for Labour’s prospects? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/114 "2015-09-14T18:26:11Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > Because traditional right-wing, capitalist-friendly juntas provide a better governance… I think a drooling chimpanzee could have provided better governance. > [@](#): > > Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. Yeah? Where has it done better? > [@Gyrate](#): > > Renationalising the railways is insanely easy - just let the franchise contracts expire. There are even mechanisms already in place for government operation, which were necessary in the event of contractual default. Of course nationalizing is easy. Efficiently running them is another matter entirely. But hey, maybe this new little Mussolini can make the trains run on time. All he needs is more power, and soon you’ll all be farting through silk. And anyway, the UK did so well the last time it nationalized industry, why not try it again? Because everyone loved the 1970’s in the UK. All those rolling strikes and violence, the insane tax rates, the less than robust economy… What’s not to like? ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/115 "2015-09-14T18:27:01Z")
I guess one good thing about this guys appointment is that the SNP has now to contend with a Labour party with a virtually parallel platform to their own, which could mean theoretically that Labour could win back some seats in Scotland, it would explain as to why Nicola Sturgeon made a proposal for a 2nd referendum in her 2016 manifesto, I also like how Corbyn has stated he and his deputy will spend one day a month in Scotland to show support as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/116 "2015-09-14T18:29:09Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I think a drooling chimpanzee could have provided better governance. > > Yeah? Where has it done better? > > Of course nationalizing is easy. Efficiently running them is another matter entirely. But hey, maybe this new little Mussolini can make the trains run on time. All he needs is more power, and soon you’ll all be farting through silk. > > And anyway, Britain did so well the last time it nationalized industry, why not try it again? Because everyone loved the 1970’s in Britain. I agree with the debacle that was the 70’s however, even some Conservatives want for example the railways re nationalised, which were not privatised until the 90’s. ---
**Author:** ![Donnerwetter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Donnerwetter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donnerwetter)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/117 "2015-09-14T18:32:59Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > […] > Scotland, it would explain as to why Nicola Sturgeon made a proposal for a 2nd referendum in her 2016 manifesto, I also like how Corbyn has stated he and his deputy will spend one day a month in Scotland to show support as well. Are they planning on holding a referendum every year then? ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/118 "2015-09-14T18:33:22Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I think a drooling chimpanzee could have provided better governance. > > Yeah? Where has it done better? > > Of course nationalizing is easy. Efficiently running them is another matter entirely. But hey, maybe this new little Mussolini can make the trains run on time. All he needs is more power, and soon you’ll all be farting through silk. > > **And anyway, the UK did so well the last time it nationalized industry, why not try it again? Because everyone loved the 1970’s in the UK**. All those rolling strikes and violence, the insane tax rates, the less than robust economy… What’s not to like? Thats my take on it too. We either have badly run private utilities, or badly run public utilities. Except in one of those scenarios its going to cost the taxpayer a barrel load of extra money for re-nationalisation. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/119 "2015-09-14T18:35:42Z")
> [@Donnerwetter](#): > > Are they planning on holding a referendum every year then? I personally think Sturgeon doesn’t want to do it, but is being arm twisted by Alex Salmond into pushing for one. ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580/120 "2015-09-14T22:11:33Z")
Like Quebec, they’re going keep on holding referendums until they get the right result, and then stop. The Tories see Jeremy Corbyn as the gift that keeps on giving. There’s so much in his past utterances to highlight that they don’t even have to search very hard. The fact that he doesn’t appear to command the support of much of the Parliamentary party (like Ian Duncan Smith leading the Tories) means that he’s likely to be even more vulnerable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeremy-corbyn-next-uk-labour-party-leader/727580.md?page=7)