# Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 7, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeri-ryan-and-kate-mulgrew/762081 "2016-08-07T21:12:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeri-ryan-and-kate-mulgrew/762081/61 "2016-08-12T21:02:36Z")
The Next Gen episode (S7 E19) “Genesis” had the crew devolving — Barclay becomes a spider, Riker becomes a caveman, Troi becomes a salamander, and Worf eats people. In Voyager’s “Threshold,” (S2E15) Janeway and Paris become lizards ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeri-ryan-and-kate-mulgrew/762081/62 "2016-08-12T21:09:17Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > It was actually written by Gene L. Coon under the pen name Lee Cronin and was supposedly a big “FU” to Fred Freiberger, who took over as executive producer from Gene Roddenberry in the third season. Coon felt that Freiberger wouldn’t recognize bad sci-fi if it bit him in the ass. Apparently Mr. Coon was correct. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeri-ryan-and-kate-mulgrew/762081/63 "2016-08-12T21:51:48Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Apparently Mr. Coon was correct. A lifeform so hideous it has to live in a box and the slightest glance will drive you mad. The Enterprise’s engines can take you to some weird limbo? A psionic dress? I know Fred didn’t write the ep, and it’s got serious problems but it’s an example of some interesting Sci-fi in season three. Also…Tholians? And “All Our Yesterdays” is just flat out good. Other third season bonus’s was the new music. My biggest complaints were the uniforms and Scotty’s hair. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeri-ryan-and-kate-mulgrew/762081/64 "2016-08-12T21:56:53Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > I might be the only person in this star system who likes _Masks_ and _The Royale_, commonly ranked among the worst TNG episodes. > > But _Genesis_, _Threshold_ and _Spock’s Brain_ really have no redeeming qualities at all. Nope I loved “The Royale”. “Baby needs a new pair of shoes.” And the fate of the astronaut they discovered was kind of moving. Kind of how “But what of Lazarus” is one of the few redeeming qualities of “The Alternative Factor” ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeri-ryan-and-kate-mulgrew/762081/65 "2016-08-12T22:03:04Z")
The Empath was one TOS episode that I would always tune off when it was on. Horrible. I saw most of the other eps all the way through. Never Empath. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeri-ryan-and-kate-mulgrew/762081/66 "2016-08-12T22:06:28Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > The Empath was one TOS episode that I would always tune off when it was on. Horrible. I saw most of the other eps all the way through. Never Empath. Worst thing an ep can do is be boring. In a vacuum its interesting. A race so alien that it decides who to save by torturing people?? Wha?? And Gem kind of FAILS. I guess she learns to exhibit qualities of self-sacrifice. Kind of. ---
**Author:** ![Cartoonacy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/848f3c/32.png) [@Cartoonacy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartoonacy)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeri-ryan-and-kate-mulgrew/762081/67 "2016-08-12T22:30:04Z")
It seems that tastes vary. “The Lights of Zetar” (written by ventriloquist Shari Lewis and her new-age-guru husband Jeremy Tarcher; make of that what you will) was the episode that actually turned me off of _Star Trek_ for quite some time. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeri-ryan-and-kate-mulgrew/762081/68 "2016-08-12T22:55:21Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I actually like _Spocks Brain_. Its in the so bad its good category and the actors nailed it. givers of pain and delight The Morgs Morg (men) described the Eymorg (women) as “Givers of pain and delight.” Good description. And who can forget “Brain and brain. What is brain?” givers of pain and delight givers of pain and delight [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jeri-ryan-and-kate-mulgrew/762081.md?page=3)