# JerseyDiamond, you feckless shrew **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 3, 2003, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197 "2003-04-03T14:33:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/201 "2003-04-04T04:37:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eve \* > \*\*I just had to come back to say _thank you_ to those of you who have defended me and said such lovely things about me in this thread. > > You guys are the _best._ \*\* I find a great deal of admiration and even hope in the fact that in a thread where people like **Joe\_Cool** , **JerseyDiamond** , and **Ace of Swords** are busily clapping themselves on the back for their hatefulness and self-victimization, **Eve** is the one who comes out looking the best in this. She’s been vilified and deeply insulted in this thread, and she shrugs it off. Now _that’s_ class. **Joe\_Cool** , **JerseyDiamond** , and **Ace** : there’s a place waiting for you in the [Fifth Circle of Hell](http://danteworlds.lamc.utexas.edu/circle5.html). Your wrath and sullenness will be your undoing in the end. **Eve** : You go, girl. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/202 "2003-04-04T04:46:29Z")
Joe, J\_D, I truly do not comprehend why, whatever feelings you have against any other dopers, you felt the need to take your anger out on someone who has done you no harm. And Joe, you in particular were inappropriate. While the other dopers in this thread may have said harsh things to you, you retaliated against a _lady_ who has never been so cruel to you. Frankly, I would that everyone would act with reasonable courtesy towards one another…remarks like “you have a little dick” or “you are ugly” or “you look like a man,” towards a person who has behaved reasonably, is needless in almost any debate (whether or not they are thought as true by the person speaking), and to revel in such remarks is uncouth. I would have expected better. ---
**Author:** ![Scotticher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Scotticher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scotticher)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/203 "2003-04-04T05:16:07Z")
So, here is the deal. I KNOW, with much thankfulness, that Jersey and Joe are GOOD people. I have no doubt about this, because I have proof. BUT… **Jersey** dear, you were unkind to **Eve**. I don’t think you MEANT to be, but you were. And you owe her an abject aplogiy. ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/204 "2003-04-04T05:16:14Z")
Joe and Jersey seem so fond of discussing the way people look and how it relates to character and who they really are. What I find funny is that when I looked at the wedding pictures (posted by Jersey) what I saw is a tattoo’d trailer park girl trying to be elegant and classy as **Eve** has proven herself to be. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/205 "2003-04-04T05:33:54Z")
This thread breaks my heart. I deeply hate seeing people I admire and respect being treated so cruelly. [Eve](http://www.geocities.com/sdpeoplepages/eve.html) is a stunning, drop-dead gorgeous woman. But more than that, she’s the epitome of style and class. Forget sex or gender, **Jersey Diamond** and **Joe\_Cool** , you could learn a lot about what being a decent _human being_ means by simply looking to **Eve**. You disgust me. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/206 "2003-04-04T05:40:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scotticher \* > \*\* > I KNOW, with much thankfulness, that Jersey and Joe are GOOD people. I have no doubt about this, because I have proof. > \*\* You’re one of my best friends, **Scotti** , so know that I don’t relish correcting you. But you’re wrong. GOOD people can make mistakes. They can say unfortunate things that they absolutely didn’t mean – it happens to all of us. But truly GOOD people never, _ever_ intentionally hurt another human being. Ever. And they especially never do it under the guise of “honesty.” There’s nothing more dishonest than that. On the other hand, truly EVIL people are, occasionally, known to do good things. That you have evidence that these two in question have done a good _thing_, I have no doubt. However, doing good and _being_ good are entirely different. I’m afraid you have one confused with the other here. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/207 "2003-04-04T05:48:49Z")
I am sorry Scotticher, but I didn’t say anything mean to Eve. I hope somehow you can understand that. If you want to privately e mail me, I would love to talk to you. Anyway, keturah, trailer parks and trailer trash do not exist where I was raised. I am sure they do around you, though. I use to think it was only in the movies. After traveling across the country, I found I was wrong. Always keep in mind, jealousy is an ugly thing, and it makes you look bad. The thing you don’t get is that I don’t try to be anything I am not, _like some people_. I don’t need to _try_ to be anything. I am happy with myself. I have a very good, well to do family, my in laws are the absolute best, by daughter is a blessing that some people do not have the good fortune to have, and my husband would move the world for me if it was in my way. I am done reading this thread. Goodnight and have fun… life is good! ---
**Author:** ![Scotticher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Scotticher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scotticher)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/208 "2003-04-04T05:49:04Z")
And I have to say…I am a born again Chrisitian …born and raised, with a few years of rebellion along the way…but I got the BEST kind of Christianity…the kind you embrace because you have learned it is the RIGHT THING!!! For me, anyway. So, here is what I have to say. I don’t doubt your faith. I doubt that you are presenting it the way Christ wants you to. And this goes for His4ever, too. Joe, you swear better than any of my unsaved acquaintances. Does that make you feel good? Jersey, you are as intolerant as anyone I know. Is this Christ’s mandate? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/209 "2003-04-04T05:54:26Z")
You didn’t say anything mean to **Eve**? You think we’re all _jealous_? You again attempt to insinuate that people are just “playing pretend” because they don’t meet your definition of female? And you say WE’RE the bad guys? Whatever it is you’re smoking, **Jersey** , please share. I’d love to try some of that. ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/210 "2003-04-04T06:00:13Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Scotticher \* \*\*And I have to say…I am a born again Chrisitian . --snip– Great, now read this: > [@](#): > > Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. You have my e mail address. ---
**Author:** ![Primaflora](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Primaflora](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Primaflora)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/211 "2003-04-04T06:01:58Z")
This is one of the saddest threads I’ve ever read. Eve, I cannot understand why anyone would choose to be so vilely cruel to another human being. Joe Cool and Jersey Diamond are beyond bizarre. I can’t even begin to comprehend what must go on inside their heads. Hate speech equals testifying for Christianity, the women of the straightdope are jealous of Jersey Diamond… I didn’t look at the wedding photos because I have very little interest in that pair of specimens but I certainly feel no jealousy. A pure and giving heart without judgment is a far prettier thing than spewing vitriol. Sad, sad, sad ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/212 "2003-04-04T06:03:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*Whatever it is you’re smoking, **Jersey** , please share. I’d love to try some of that. \*\* I wouldn’t… looks like it kills brain cells _way_ too fast. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/213 "2003-04-04T06:05:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > \*\*I am happy with myself. \*\* You’re lying. Noone who is happy with themselves would see fit to be so needlessly cruel to another person. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Acts like this will not get you into heaven toots. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/214 "2003-04-04T06:06:15Z")
Well, of COURSE we’re jealous, **Guin**. We’re all going to live the best way we know how and try not to cause any unnecessary pain to the people around us, be true to ourselves, admit our mistakes, love one another despite differences and try to make the world a better place, and burn in hellfire for all eternity while JD and JC ascend to the right hand of God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth with all of their sins forgiven (no matter how grievous) to dwell in paradise forever. Who wouldn’t be jealous? ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/215 "2003-04-04T06:08:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Joe\_Cool \* > \*\*Pssst… gobear? She had that part removed. \*\* That is bar none the nastiest thing I’ve ever seen on these boards. I’m sickened by your existance. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/216 "2003-04-04T06:09:13Z")
Jesus, **Jersey** , you can’t even read your own bible! Trespass against _ **thee** _. **THEE**. What the bloody hell has **Eve** ever done to trespass against **YOU**? And even if she had (which she most certainly has NOT), you are commanded to discuss it _ **privately** _. What on earth do you think “between thee and him alone” freaking _means_? Good Lord, your’e a dolt! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/217 "2003-04-04T06:16:49Z")
Just to put in my two cents on this whole thing, not that anyone cares, I’d imagine, but, you know, that’s never stopped me before. Transexuality/Gender reassignment makes some people uncomfortable. Heck, I’ll admit it…the whole thing makes me uncomfortable. But then, seeing somebody in a wheelchair makes me uncomfortable. Heck, vegetarianism makes me uncomfortable. I grew up in a little, pretty conservative town where you just weren’t supposed to be different, or at least, not talk about it…not make people think about your differences. I guess that’s something that sort of gets into you, and even though you leave the place you grew up, you never really leave it…the attitudes and beliefs stay a part of you, forever, however you feel about them or whatever you do. However, it seems to me that, whatever your prejudices are, or however uncomfortable you feel about a group of people, everybody has the right to be treated with respect, and that nobody should do or say anything that intentionally hurts somebody else’s feelings, and if they accidentally do so, they should apologize. It seems like my biases shouldn’t be your problem, so to speak. More specifically, I’ve never really had any big interactions with **Eve** on this board, but I’ve read a lot of her posts, and she strikes me as one classy lady, and one I’d really like to know, and with all due respect, **Joe** , **Jersey** , I think you do owe her an apology, not because transexuality makes you uncomfortable, or because it seems to you that even after a man has gender realignment to become a woman, that person is still a man, but because **Eve** is a really nice person who’s never hurt you, or as far as I know, anybody here, and it’s not right to say things that insult her or make her feel bad. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/218 "2003-04-04T06:20:52Z")
This thread has turned into quite the trainwreck, so I’m gonna close it. **JerseyDiamond** , you are warned. Quit posting such hateful, hurtful things. And ESPECIALLY quit acting surprised when people take offense at those things. **Joe\_Cool** , if I see one more offensive post of yours, you’re out of here for good. Lynn Sick as a dog and this thread AIN’T helping any. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/219 "2003-04-04T06:22:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by keturah \* > \*\*Joe and Jersey seem so fond of discussing the way people look and how it relates to character and who they really are. \*\* Yeah, you didn’t miss the point at all. :rolleyes: Did you bother to read the thread that spawned this? Nobody cares what people look like. The issue in question was whether a transsexual is truly the sex they claim to be. Jersey’s perception of Eve was relevant only as far as the question that prompted it: How do you, Jersey, think of KellyM and Eve when you type to them on the internet: As men or women? As she stated, it was apparent to her that Eve was born a man, so it should be obvious that it shaped her perception of Eve from that point forward. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Anthracite_ > \*\* I don’t know if you care, but this is enough for me. Don’t look for me sniping at you now or in the future, or insulting you behind your back in IRC or LiveJournals, but we’re at an ending here. I cannot be convinced of your wanting to ever see things differently, and these things you’ve said here are just plain below the belt.\*\* Yes, they were. But as Eutychus pointed out, they were my words and I’m stuck with them, whether I regretted posting them or not. But to be completely honest, no, I’m not interested in seeing things differently - at least not on this topic. Nor are Eve and KellyM. So if I’m guilty of being closed-minded regarding an opposing viewpoint, then so are they. I fully support Eve’s (or anybody else’s) right to do anything she (or they) likes to her (their…you get the point) body. And while I stand by my statement that no amount of surgery and wishing will make her into a real woman (there is no blue fairy, after all), I agree that she’s free to go on living her life as she chooses - as a man, woman, or chicken, for all I care - with no interference from me (you’ll note, hopefully, that I most emphatically do not condone violence against transsexuals, and would go so far as to put myself in danger to protect an innocent person from violence, no matter who that person is). But I trust I’ve also made my point clear: That I see it as deceptive and unfair for a transsexual to date a … (here I was going to say heterosexual, then hetero or homosexual, but I honestly don’t know what the antonym to transsexual is) person-whose-mental-sex-agrees-with-their-physical-sex without disclosing the truth of their sexuality before the relationship starts. I most certainly do NOT think a person is free to affect other people’s lives in that way without disclosure of the truth, and I think that after the relationship has become serious is far too late for said disclosure. Now, as far as Eve goes, I wish I had chosen better ways to say what I’ve had to say here. As we all know (and as is the point of this type of baiting thread), I get kind of less than happy when people say things to my wife online things that they would not have the courage to say face-to-face. I mean such things as > [@](#): > > She’s a pathetic example of a human being with the common decency of pig. > [@](#): > > Well, she’s a heartless beast and doesn’t deserve to keep company with civil society… Fuck 'er. She’s garbage. > [@](#): > > Actually, Jersey, you ignorant prig, its for both you and your jerkoff husband… Dumb cunt. > [@](#): > > I swear, every time those two show up in a thread, I think of all the poor lions going to bed hungry. > [@](#): > > Well, actually she’s just a stunned bitch, but whatever. And those gems are just from page 1. All because of an honest observation, given in response to a direct question. > [@](#): > > **What the bloody hell has Eve ever done to trespass against YOU?** None of your business. But, Shayna, maybe you should try reading your bible again yourself. That passage regards correcting a FELLOW BELIEVER, which Eve is not. JD was addressing the way Scotticher chose to publicly decree Jersey’s failures as a Christian, when in fact we are commanded to correct each other privately. And maybe my reading skills are lacking, but it appears to me that Jersey’s “jealousy” post was addressed to a specific person who directed yet ANOTHER insult at her, not to the board at large. So you can all quit hopping around about how you’re not jealous. Ok? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197.md?page=10)