# JerseyDiamond, you feckless shrew **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 3, 2003, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197 "2003-04-03T14:33:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/21 "2003-04-03T16:23:45Z")
Does anyone have an idea why **JD** and **J\_C** like to cause so much trouble? One imagines, that if the two of them were paying attention, they would realize that their words are hateful, and maybe they’d be more careful in using them. Instead, they intrude into threads with their malformed opinions. They must know that they are going to cause trouble and another Pit thread. Is their desire to feel superior that strong? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/22 "2003-04-03T16:28:10Z")
I swear, every time those two show up in a thread, I think of all the poor lions going to bed hungry. ---
**Author:** ![manwithaplan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@manwithaplan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manwithaplan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/23 "2003-04-03T16:28:29Z")
That was one of the most heartless, crass and hurtful comments I have seen posted on the SDMB. I just hope it wasn’t as calculated as it seemed. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/24 "2003-04-03T16:37:49Z")
I can’t imagine she didn’t know exactly what she was saying. It’s the lowest I can remember anyone going around here. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/25 "2003-04-03T16:44:31Z")
Wait, I’m confused, Eve is a man…or a woman formerly a man??? Boy, I’ve been around here for awhile and never knew…I’ve always pictured Eve as rather Bette Davis-ish woman who’s favorite atire is a silk kimono… hmmmm Sorry, **Eve** not that it matters though. Let’s just say, on paper, you’re all woman. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/26 "2003-04-03T16:46:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*This is going to go the same way all the Jersey/Joe threads end up going. Jersey comes in all wide eyed and blinking proclaiming that even though she openly insults someone she doesn’t mean it in a mean way and GOSH! isn’t she allowed to have an opinion? Then Joe will come in and defend his wife with decidedly UN Christian vitriol and swearing, then one of them will accidentally post as the other, post again to say “Oh, that was me, not her”, and there will be much rolling of eyes. > > I read it in Nostradamus. \*\* Don’t forget Nostradamus’ next quatrain that deals with how JD will say that Joe is ALL MAN!!! And how he could beat up all the men and satisfy all the women on the SDMB without even raising a sweat, but he loves ONLY HER!!! Or the next quatrain might deal with predicting how I’ll hit the submit button too early and not be able to finis ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/27 "2003-04-03T16:47:08Z")
Tried to add, that the last sentence sounded weird… I have no problem with who you are **Eve** just that I never would have known as I stay out of Great Debates and there’s really not much of an inkling from your writing… ---
**Author:** ![lel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8797f3/32.png) [@lel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lel)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/28 "2003-04-03T16:47:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by manwithaplan \* > \*\*That was one of the most heartless, crass and hurtful comments I have seen posted on the SDMB. I just hope it wasn’t as calculated as it seemed. \*\* Just for clarification, exactly which comment is the one you are referring to here? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/29 "2003-04-03T16:56:14Z")
Every time we think these two amoebas can’t go any lower, they prove us wrong. They’re cold, heartless, unfeeling, cruel individuals who cloak themselves with their Christianity as an attempt to justify their lack of common decency and manners. And then they have the NERVE to claim everyone picks on them. Disengenious, I say. They know exactly what they are doing. Wolf in sheeps clothing, thy name is **Joe** and **Jersey**. Oh, and I NO LONGER give a rat’s ass if they’re nice at Dope fests. Who isn’t? They obviously are nice to your face but on a message board, they feel free to fling their feces of hate at everyone else where they’re safe behind their computer screens. Christian my ass. They give Christianity a bad name. It’s because of people like them that I’m ashamed to admit to being Christian sometimes, that I cringe involuntarily when people mention being Christian-because I’m afraid they’ll be like these two hateful beings. ---
**Author:** ![peepthis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9d8465/32.png) [@peepthis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peepthis)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/30 "2003-04-03T17:01:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*She actually called her an abomination?!?!?!? > > Good grief. > > How…er, how shall I put this…oh, yeah, I got it now. How Christian. \*\* I don’t see the word “abomination” in there anywhere, **Monty**. But I didn’t read all the pages either; can you point out where that is? I do see “abnormality,” which is an entirely different (though not exactly compassionate) thing. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/31 "2003-04-03T17:02:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BottledBlondJeanie \* > \*\*Wait, I’m confused, Eve is a man…or a woman formerly a man??? \*\* Born a man by mistake. Had the guts to fix it. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/32 "2003-04-03T17:09:21Z")
There were many shitty comments, but the one where Jersey said she could tell Eve was TG when she met her at a dopefest is the main one I’m referring to. One of them also called her “prissy”. Prissy? Prissy! Ya wanna talk about uptight? You could shove a piece of coal up Jersey’s ass, and in two weeks you’d have a diamond. A Jersey Fucking Diamond. ---
**Author:** ![manwithaplan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@manwithaplan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manwithaplan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/33 "2003-04-03T17:17:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lel \* > \*\*Just for clarification, exactly which comment is the one you are referring to here? \*\* The one Kalhoun’s just mentioned. The other stuff pales in comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/34 "2003-04-03T17:26:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*She actually called her an abomination?!?!?!? > \*\* **Monty** , please. Cite or explanation or apology. ---
**Author:** ![DeVena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@DeVena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeVena)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/35 "2003-04-03T17:50:03Z")
As a Christian, these two make me very sad. Ya know, they will be in for a real shock when they get to the pearly gates. “Oh, you say you’re Christian? We couldn’t tell from how you treated people on earth. Jesus was really nice and you? You’re not. Please go into the next dimension for the written exam… Next!” But that crack about lions being hungry? PURE GENIUS. ---
**Author:** ![ConnieS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@ConnieS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ConnieS)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/36 "2003-04-03T18:16:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*I swear, every time those two show up in a thread, I think of all the poor lions going to bed hungry. \*\* Marry me, gobear. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/37 "2003-04-03T18:16:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by manwithaplan \* > \*\*The one Kalhoun’s just mentioned. The other stuff pales in comparison. \*\* In real world terms I can well imagine that 90%+ of women who had a question about someone’s gender at a party would draw their husband or SO aside during a private moment and ask in a whisper what the scoop was, and in my experience women are often intensely curious about this issue if the question presents itself. Having said that IMO the real problem is less one of pure hatefullness as such, and more that JD has huge problem with tact or consideration as to what impact her words would have in conversation, and has probably had this problem all her life and at some point she decided that her inability to moderate her thoughts before they became words or speech was “someone else’s problem” not hers. If someone is trying to live a complete TG life about the most brutal thing you could tell them is “Y’know I kind of suspected you weren’t really “all woman” when I met you, etc etc but that’s OK if that’s what you’re into. You’re still a man to me when I see you post.” JD whether or not your realize it you’re essentially spitting on someone’s efforts to live a complete life in the manner they have chosen because the outer package didn’t originally have the right gift wrapping. I don’t think JD is a “hateful, evil pig” she just lacks discretion and conversational manners. It’s just _extraordinarly_ bad manners and incredibly bad form to put this in someone’s face after meeting them in real life. One would think you had been raised in a barn or otherwise had a pretty deprived background to put stuff like this up. Here is the complete quote to save search loads on the server - [sub] > [@](#): > > Re: Jersey and Joe, do you think of Eve and Kelly as men or women? > > ## quote: > > ## Originally posted by Eve I think they have already made clear that they think of us as “icky,” mentally disturbed men who “take playing dress-up too far.” I don’t need to hear that again. > > Eve, I don’t think you are “icky”, I think you are a person just like anyone else. > > The only issue I have is that I would want to be informed if I was a potantial date for a transgendered person. > > You don’t agree with my religious beliefs, and I know that you think that you think some of my religious beliefs are “icky”. > > oh well. > > You don’t need me to think you are a woman. You seem to be a happy person. As long as you don’t affect my life, I won’t affect yours, right? > > Yes, KellyM, joe would throw me away if he found out I was genetically a male. > > ## quote: > > ## And you accept this person as a woman? > > I accept this person has an abnormality, but still is genetically a man. If she/he was raised as a girl, it is out of her control. This is what she knows. If I was a man, I would not date her. > > This is getting totally off the subject, unless of course the reason we are discussing this is because KellyM, Lazz, or Eve is an AIS baby. > > The bottom line is that if you were born a man, you are a man, and if you were born a woman, you are a woman. You can think whatever you want. > > If I get the skin around my eyes surgically altered and made to look like I am Japanese, that does not make me Japanese. It means I had a surgery to look like I am Japanese. > > Kalhoun, when posting, I see Eve and KellyM as men. That doesn’t mean I hate them, it’s just how I see them. > > To be quite honest, I met Eve one time. It was at my first dopefest, I believe. > I asked joe\_cool, privately, if Eve was transgendered. It just seemed that way to me. I am not sure what quite gave it away. > > Anyway, I guess I am finished with this particular discussion for now. > > I don’t mean to hurt anyones feelings, it’s just the way I see things. [/sub] ---
**Author:** ![lel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8797f3/32.png) [@lel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lel)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/38 "2003-04-03T18:18:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by manwithaplan \* > \*\*The one Kalhoun’s just mentioned. The other stuff pales in comparison. \*\* Oh, I thought it that since it followed **gobear** ’s statement in reference to the lions, that was the comment to which you were referring. My apologies for the misunderstanding. Oh yes, in no place in the thread being discussed did **JerseyDiamond** specifically refer to the word “abomination.” ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/39 "2003-04-03T18:30:06Z")
**JerseyDiamond** makes the baby Jesus cry. Well, actually she’s just a stunned bitch, but whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197/40 "2003-04-03T18:38:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kalhoun \* > \*\*There were many shitty comments, but the one where Jersey said she could tell Eve was TG when she met her at a dopefest is the main one I’m referring to. One of them also called her “prissy”. Prissy? Prissy! Ya wanna talk about uptight? You could shove a piece of coal up Jersey’s ass, and in two weeks you’d have a diamond. A Jersey Fucking Diamond. \*\* Well, what she calls “prissy”, I call classy. I owe **Eve** for indirectly informing me about the Corbis archives and to think of looking for stock photo archives, like Hulton Getty. Thanks to her, I have tons of pictures of obscure European royalty cluttering up my harddrive! Plus, she got to meet Audrey Hepburn’s ex-fiance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jerseydiamond-you-feckless-shrew/166197.md?page=3)