# Jess Hart, It's on, Babe **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 21, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904 "2010-12-21T02:17:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/181 "2010-12-22T14:05:36Z")
> [@Alice\_The\_Goon](#): > > I can’t speak for anyone else, but I personally wasn’t defending what she said, so much as her right to say it. It’s unfortunate that a woman who expresses an unpopular opinion is called things like “whore”, and it’s misogynistic. A whore is a woman who has sex for money. > > Plus the whole creepy “staring at random strangers because they’re female and therefore I’m entitled to” thing. That’s just weird. That makes no sense. Nobody questioned her right to say what she wanted to. That has not been attacked, and requires no defending. Nor did I call her a whore or anything thT could be construed as misogynistic. As for staring? Let me clue you in. Sighted heterosexual men like to look at pretty girls and they do it whenever they get the chance. You’ve heard of Playboy? Maxim? Strip clubs? These things cater to that desire. Guys look at girls. We are usually pretty discrete about it, but it is what we do. I can’t believe that I’m here on the SDMB having to explain that guys like to look at women. This must be quite a revelation to you. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/182 "2010-12-22T14:17:17Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > No - I process it just fine, thank you very much. She may very well be composed of more fat than is healthy. She still makes her living based on her beauty, and seems to be rather successful at it suggesting that you may be alone in your assessment of her ‘techinical obesity’ or lack of looks. > > I just think you’re a raging weeny in a snit. Of course I’m a raging weenie in a snit. I’m posting an angry rant about something a supermodel said in an interview for Chrissakes. That’s pretty much the definition, right? The other issue is more interesting. In point of fact I have not been alone in my assessment in this thread. Even if I was , that makes me neither right nor wrong. Nor does the Fact that she makes her living off her looks mean that they are healthy. Chinese used to bind feet for beauty, and their is a long and inglorious tradition of women damaging and maiming themselves to comply with some arbitrary transient fashion of beauty. I think the type of beauty JH is portraying is a particularly unhealthy one. To attain and maintain such a look is going to tend to be damaging to one’s health and well-being. It is also the type of beauty that tends to crash fast. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/183 "2010-12-22T14:22:46Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I can’t believe that I’m here on the SDMB having to explain that guys like to look at women. This must be quite a revelation to you. For gawds sake don’t tell her about the “undressing with the eyes subroutine” that comes on the standard male model. Or the frequent “fantasy” ugrade either. She’ll splode! ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/184 "2010-12-22T14:30:15Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > That makes no sense. Nobody questioned her right to say what she wanted to. That has not been attacked, and requires no defending. Nor did I call her a whore or anything thT could be construed as misogynistic. > > As for staring? Let me clue you in. Sighted heterosexual men like to look at pretty girls and they do it whenever they get the chance. You’ve heard of Playboy? Maxim? Strip clubs? These things cater to that desire. Guys look at girls. We are usually pretty discrete about it, but it is what we do. > > I can’t believe that I’m here on the SDMB having to explain that guys like to look at women. This must be quite a revelation to you. And they work pretty hard to be looked at, and take great offense when they’re ignored. That’s why the whole, “Ew, you look at women, you’re creepy!” claim is so much bullshit. Not just that, but so many of them feel entitled to stare, touch, ask inappropriate questions, when they feel like it, even in the workplace. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/185 "2010-12-22T14:33:46Z")
> [@Klaatu](#): > > The best way to pick up an elitist bitch hot babe in a bar is to ignore her completely. Let the idiots do their shit, sit back and wait, then walk up next to her, order a drink and mildly insult her. > > Say something like “Nice fake nails” and go ask a average looking chick to dance. > > This will destroy her elitist babe shit and intrigue her. Lets her know that her shit doesn’t intimidate you. > > Go up to her later and start a conversation. Ask her to buy you a drink. Amazing how that shit works. Not every time, but yeah, it does work. Usually she’s not going to be by herself in a club. She’s gonna be with her gfs. So pick the least attractive one of the bunch, and hit on her while you totally ignore the hottie. Just the expression on the hottie’s face will make it worthwhile. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/186 "2010-12-22T14:48:41Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Not every time, but yeah, it does work. > > Usually she’s not going to be by herself in a club. She’s gonna be with her gfs. So pick the least attractive one of the bunch, and hit on her while you totally ignore the hottie. Just the expression on the hottie’s face will make it worthwhile. Yeah, maybe in the movies. In real life, the hottie just cuts her eyes at her friends in a silent “look at this nitwit, using his ‘Gigolo for Dummies’ lessons.” ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/187 "2010-12-22T15:00:33Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Yeah, maybe in the movies. In real life, the hottie just cuts her eyes at her friends in a silent “look at this nitwit, using his ‘Gigolo for Dummies’ lessons.” I gotta chime in on this one. I knew a guy that treated women like shit. Not like beat em or take their money bad, but ignore em, blow em off..blah blah blah. Basically the exact opposite of “put em on a pedestal”. And also certainly not how any rational person would hope someone they would want to date would treat them. He was never short a woman. In fact, he was often juggling a few at any given time. He was not extremely handsome. Not rich. Not in uniform. Not some glamorous job. Not in a band..blah blah blah. It certainly worked for him. Now, the calibre or sanity of the women he did manage to attract with that technique might be an issue, but it sure worked. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/188 "2010-12-22T15:23:15Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > I gotta chime in on this one. I knew a guy that treated women like shit. Not like beat em or take their money bad, but ignore em, blow em off..blah blah blah. Basically the exact opposite of “put em on a pedestal”. And also certainly not how any rational person would hope someone they would want to date would treat them. > > He was never short a woman. In fact, he was often juggling a few at any given time. He was not extremely handsome. Not rich. Not in uniform. Not some glamorous job. Not in a band..blah blah blah. > > It certainly worked for him. Now, the calibre or sanity of the women he did manage to attract with that technique might be an issue, but it sure worked. You are right. I know it is true that a lot of beautiful women seem to go for guys that treat them poorly. But I think some guys are kidding themselves that it is something they can ‘learn’. They can’t. It is the certain kind of swagger of a guy who _honestly doesn’t give a fuck._ He is the one that women like, and they can spot a phoney a mile away. Trust me. Like Scylla’s creepy ass, I too like to observe beautiful women. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/189 "2010-12-22T15:38:20Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > You are right. > > I know it is true that a lot of beautiful women seem to go for guys that treat them poorly. But I think some guys are kidding themselves that it is something they can ‘learn’. They can’t. It is the certain kind of swagger of a guy who _honestly doesn’t give a fuck._ > > . Well, in this case the guy “learned it”. Or more specifically he figured it out himself (he was pretty sharp and observant). Keep in mind this happened before the internet and “treat em like ho’s” DIY video’s. He actually WAS a nice guy. He probably would have loved to be all nice and yet still wallowing in putang. He went through high school AND college without much action. Finally, he figured out his particular formula and said fuck it, I’ll be an ass. He even coached a friend or two in it and it worked for them too. About the ONLY reason I’d didnt do it was I just can’t bring myself to be an ass, no matter what the rewards (okay a couple million might do it. Some putang I’d love to have, not so much). ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/190 "2010-12-22T15:55:41Z")
Maybe you’re right. Maybe a lot of the guys that I thought had ‘swagger’ really were nice guys that learned to act like they don’t give a fuck. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/191 "2010-12-22T17:22:10Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > …I can’t believe that I’m here on the SDMB having to explain that guys like to look at women. This must be quite a revelation to you. I’ve always been real discreet about it, but somehow always end up getting caught. Think the x-ray glasses I fashion might have something to do w/it? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/192 "2010-12-22T23:05:57Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > I hate to rain on the “SHE IS A WORTHLESS EVIL BITCH” parade, but has anyone considered the idea that maybe the reporter asked a monumentally stupid question like: “So what’s your advice for guys if they see one of you models at the local bar?” and then threw the quote out there like it was an unprovoked suggestion out of nowhere? Well sure, that is the assumption with 99% of the celebrity quotes I read, as it should be, knowing some very forthright entertainment writers and editors. It’s mostly crapola. But then what would people talk about, if not the carefully created characters populating Hollywood? You can’t flip through a trashy magazine making judgments about every celebrity on the page then stop at one and decide she alone has been misquoted or taken out of context (well, okay, you can). ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/193 "2010-12-22T23:36:14Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Maybe you’re right. Maybe a lot of the guys that I thought had ‘swagger’ really were nice guys that learned to act like they don’t give a fuck. Well, I wouldnt go THAT far 🙂 Lets just say IME it is certainly possible to sucessfully fake being a swaggering asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/194 "2010-12-23T01:26:53Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > You, my dear Jess are technically obese, and you are 24 years old. > [@foolsguinea](#): > > And if you’re calling her fat just to be cruel, you’re a sick sick man. She’s a skinny, if not in great cardiovascular shape, young woman, who will probably never be terribly fat in her life except possibly when pregnant with very good-looking children. > > To tell someone in an anorexigenic subculture like modeling or dance that they’re fat when they’re not is toxic. For even saying this on a message board Miss Hart will, Thank God, never read, but where some other suggestible person might read this, well, > > MAY THE NAZI GROUNDHOGS DEVOUR YOUR HOME’S FOUNDATIONS & WALLS THAT IT CRUMBLES TO ROTTEN STICKS. foolsguinea, you are an idiot. Scylla said she’s “technically obese,” not “fat.” I never heard the term “technically obese” before this thread, but to think that it means “fat” is just completely stupid. Why didn’t you just ask him what he meant instead of jumping to conclusions? Oh, right, you are stupid. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/195 "2010-12-23T01:45:20Z")
The people on the fitness forums I’ve been on all refer to this as “skinny fat.” Basically it’s someone who can fit into size 6 jeans, but is still totally out of shape and flabby. Or what **Scylla** is calling “technically obese” but I like “skinny fat” better because “technically obese” makes it sound like you interviewed the person to find out their BMI score or something. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/196 "2010-12-23T02:00:26Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > The people on the fitness forums I’ve been on all refer to this as “skinny fat.” Basically it’s someone who can fit into size 6 jeans, but is still totally out of shape and flabby. Or what **Scylla** is calling “technically obese” but I like “skinny fat” better because “technically obese” makes it sound like you interviewed the person to find out their BMI score or something. I seem to recall a medical article that referred to folks like that as TOFI, thin outside fat inside. And IIRC, the only people more unhealthy than them are morbidly obese people. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/197 "2010-12-23T02:03:19Z")
But how can you tell that someone is “technically obese” just from looking at a couple of pictures? She looked perfectly fine to me. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/198 "2010-12-23T02:06:17Z")
You really can’t know until you hit on her. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/199 "2010-12-23T02:33:49Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Why didn’t you just ask him what he meant instead of jumping to conclusions? Oh, right, you are stupid. Well, i’ve made a request for the OP to provide evidence that she fits into some particular technical description of obesity, but as far as i can tell, he’s so far been disinclined to provide any such evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/200 "2010-12-23T02:46:38Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Well, i’ve made a request for the OP to provide evidence that she fits into some particular technical description of obesity, but as far as i can tell, he’s so far been disinclined to provide any such evidence. Your request is stupid. The OP doesn’t say she fits into any particular technical description of obesity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904.md?page=11)