# Jess Hart, It's on, Babe **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 21, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904 "2010-12-21T02:17:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/41 "2010-12-21T04:37:57Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Why does she have to even do this much? Why do you think she owes you anything at all? She didn’t ask you to go invade her space. Why does she have to be gracious to someone who’s being rude to her? Why is somebody approaching her in a bar being rude? Who said anything about being rude? Why is she advocating a double standard? According to her own words, it is not ok to approach her, but it’s ok for her to approach you. She thinks it’s ok for her to approach strangers in bars and hit on them, but it’s not ok for other people to approach her and hit on her. Why? Again, according to her because she’s a model. You think this is cool? ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/42 "2010-12-21T04:39:25Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > You might be right, but there’s this: > > My first job was in the Revlon building in NYC on Madison Ave. I was 21. One day, I shared an elevator with Claudia Schiffer. She was wearing Jeans in a t shirt. She had her hair in a ponytail with a rubber band, and not one lick of makeup on her, like she had just gotten out of bed and pulled on what was close at hand. > > She looked better than any other woman that I have ever seen in person in my entire life. > > It was just her and I in the elevator and I was determined to talk to her. I think I said “Hi.” > > She gave me a great big smile and said “Hi.” Right back. Encouraged, intoxicated and terrified I mumbled something about having a camera in my desk, and I would just love to have a picture with Claudia Schiffer because I think you are fantastic, and I knew she was probably very busy, but could she possibly get off on my floor and wait in our lobby for 10 seconds while I sprinted for my camera? > > She smiled again and said “yes.” > > When we got to my floor she just walked right through the boardroom with me, and took my arm in her hands like she was my girlfriend. My cubemate took one awkward picture of me standing next to her. She said take another, and she leaned over and gave me a great big hug and pouted her lips like she was about to kiss me. > > Than she just waved and left. > > It made my day, my week, my month. I showed the picture to my girlfriend. I enshrined it in my cube. > > In total, it cost her about two minutes of her time. She didn’t have to take the picture, that was above and beyond. It would have been enough that she just smiled and said “hi.” If she had said “I’m sorry, I’m very late,” that would have been fine. > > This wasn’t a bar. This was her place of a work. > > If Jess Hart doesn’t want to be bothered with admiring people who want to meet her, than she shouldn’t go to places like bars which exist specifically so people can socialize. > > It wouldn’t cost her much to be nice. CS is a lady with class, whose inner beauty will shine for years after Jess Hart has faded into an afterthought on a VH1 show. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/43 "2010-12-21T04:41:22Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > She’s not really going to approach others. She was being sarcastic. Does it really make her “wanna be royalty” to want to be left alone, though? Because going to a bar is the place to go when you want to be left alone, right? :rolleyes: Does she get pissed off if she goes to Church and people talk about religion? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/44 "2010-12-21T04:49:10Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Why is somebody approaching her in a bar being rude? Who said anything about being rude? Because they don’t know you, they’re minding their own business and they aren’t asking you to invade their space with your sexual invitations. It’s harrassment. Leave people alone. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/45 "2010-12-21T04:51:41Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Because going to a bar is the place to go when you want to be left alone, right? :rolleyes: For many people, yes, and it’s the assumption you should make about them as a matter of course. > [@](#): > > Does she get pissed off if she goes to Church and people talk about religion? This is an asinine analogy. There proper analogy would be if she got pissed about people _drinking_ in bars (or getting hit on in church). ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/46 "2010-12-21T05:01:55Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Because they don’t know you, they’re minding their own business and they aren’t asking you to invade their space with your sexual invitations. It’s harrassment. Leave people alone. So according to you, in bars nobody is allowed to talk to other people unless they already know them and nobody is allowed to try to pick anybody else up. Got it. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_The\_Goon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Alice\_The\_Goon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alice_The_Goon)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/47 "2010-12-21T05:05:28Z")
No, women are allowed to go out without having to either tolerate the creepy old guys hitting on them or being called names if they don’t. It’s disheartening that you’re only 43, though- I would like to think that your old dinosaur-like ways are antique and dying out, but no, I guess not. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/48 "2010-12-21T05:06:32Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > So according to you, in bars nobody is allowed to talk to other people unless they already know them and nobody is allowed to try to pick anybody else up. Got it. Thanks. I’m saying it’s rude to solicit random strangers for sex, and that women are not obliged to smile at you if you sexually harass them. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/49 "2010-12-21T05:07:34Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > For many people, yes, and it’s the assumption you should make about them as a matter of course. Yes. I see your point. When I want to be alone I often seek out crowded areas designated for alcohol lubricated socialization. When I want to meet people and socialize I go to my remote mountain cabin in the Alaskan wilderness and bolt myself into the basement. > [@](#): > > This is an asinine analogy. There proper analogy would be if she got pissed about people _drinking_ in bars (or getting hit on in church). Your being stupid. Bars aren’t for drinking. They are for the combination of drinking and socializing. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/50 "2010-12-21T05:09:27Z")
Bars are for drinking, first and foremost, and you don’t get to decide whatever else somebody you don’t know might be in there for. They could be meeting somebody else, or just want a drink after work to unwind. You should not assume they they are there just waiting for you to solicit them with some sleazy pickup line. It sounds like you’re saying that if a woman is in a bar, she has no right to be left alone. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/51 "2010-12-21T05:11:34Z")
**Dio** just thinks \*he \*would actually have a chance with her. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/52 "2010-12-21T05:12:12Z")
Jess Hart didn’t say “I’m not going to have sex with you,” she said “Don’t speak until you’re spoken to.” There’s a small difference between the two statements. The first is reasonable, the second is obnoxious. The odds of Ms. Hart appearing at the little neighborhood bar I hang out at are infinitesimal, but if she does, I’m not going to hold my tounge because some stupid bimbo glares at me. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/53 "2010-12-21T05:13:33Z")
Back in my prime, when I was in my 20’s and skinny and in a band, I’d have had no shot at her, much less now at 44. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/54 "2010-12-21T05:14:56Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Jess Hart didn’t say “I’m not going to have sex with you,” she said “Don’t speak until you’re spoken to.” There’s a small difference between the two statements. The first is reasonable, the second is obnoxious. The odds of Ms. Hart appearing at the little neighborhood bar I hang out at are infinitesimal, but if she does, I’m not going to hold my tounge because some stupid bimbo glares at me. You being overly absolute about it. She was talking about guys hitting on her, not just any person talking to her at all. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/55 "2010-12-21T05:16:12Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > From the Mayo Clinic: [Normal Weight Obesity.](http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/normal-weight-obesity/AN02007) I have no doubt that Normal Weight Obesity is a real thing. I assume it’s pretty much what **Scylla** meant when he referred the model as “technically obese.” What i would like to see is his evidence, in terms of the woman’s height, weight, BMI, and fat percentage, that allow him to draw his conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_The\_Goon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Alice\_The\_Goon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alice_The_Goon)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/56 "2010-12-21T05:17:54Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I have no doubt that Normal Weight Obesity is a real thing. I assume it’s pretty much what **Scylla** meant when he referred the model as “technically obese.” > > What i would like to see is his evidence, in terms of the woman’s height, weight, BMI, and fat percentage, that allow him to draw his conclusion. What’s the relevance of it, anyway? It was just a name for him to be able to call her, a way for him to bring her down to his own level, in his eyes and, he hoped, ours. What does her body fat percentage have to do with anything? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/57 "2010-12-21T05:19:29Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m saying it’s rude to solicit random strangers for sex, and that women are not obliged to smile at you if you sexually harass them. I fully agree with your statement. Soliciting random strangers for sex is wrong. Sexually harassing women is wrong. What this has to do with this thread, I have no fucking idea. I didn’t say sexual harassment was ok, nor did I say that soliciting random strangers for sex was ok. In the article I quoted Jess Hart didn’t mention either of those things. What she said, and what I quoted and what I responded to was this: “f you see me, or another model, in a bar wait until you are spoken too before you speak.” That has nothing to do with solicitation or sexual harassment. What I am debating is the No-speech-to-supermodels-unless-they-speak-to-you-first rule that Jess is attempting to enact. If you would like to defend that rule, or you agree with it, I’m happy to hear what you have to say. You seem to debating something else, though. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/58 "2010-12-21T05:20:12Z")
I’m guessing she doesn’t get a lot of rejections saying “sorry babe—no fatties.” ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/59 "2010-12-21T05:21:06Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You being overly absolute about it. She was talking about guys hitting on her, not just any person talking to her at all. No. She didn’t say anything about “guys hitting on her.” She said no speaking to her unless she speaks to you first. I quoted her in the OP. How do you miss that? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904/60 "2010-12-21T05:22:30Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I fully agree with your statement. Soliciting random strangers for sex is wrong. Sexually harassing women is wrong. > > What this has to do with this thread, I have no fucking idea. I didn’t say sexual harassment was ok, nor did I say that soliciting random strangers for sex was ok. > > In the article I quoted Jess Hart didn’t mention either of those things. What she said, and what I quoted and what I responded to was this: > > “f you see me, or another model, in a bar wait until you are spoken too before you speak.” > > That has nothing to do with solicitation or sexual harassment. Yes it does. You know that was the context. Don’t oil up to her and offer to buy her a drink. She wants to be left alone. It’s pretty easy to understand. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jess-hart-its-on-babe/564904.md?page=4)