# Jesse Helms is dead! Let's dance on his grave. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2008, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299 "2008-07-04T15:31:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/161 "2008-07-13T02:37:42Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] Apparently, Buchanan enjoys a tipple himself. [/QUOTE] :o Oops, sorry, that was the blowjob smiley, when I meant the knocking down some Scotch smiley. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/162 "2008-07-13T02:48:11Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] :o Oops, sorry, that was the blowjob smiley, when I meant the knocking down some Scotch smiley. [/QUOTE] Yes, I have myself always wondered why that smiley looks like one of those inflatable sex dolls. I do recall that _Rolling Stones_ tribute by Buchanan now. I have that issue squirreled away somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/163 "2008-07-13T03:23:17Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] No, really, Thompson did like to drink with him. Apparently, Buchanan enjoys a tipple himself. [/QUOTE] That’s pretty hard to believe. I mean, he’s a Baptist and all, right? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/164 "2008-07-13T03:31:16Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] That’s pretty hard to believe. I mean, he’s a Baptist and all, right? [/QUOTE] He’s full of contradictions. A neo-con who not only strongly opposed this Iraq War from the get-go, but the first one as well. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/165 "2008-07-13T03:41:41Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] He’s full of contradictions. A neo-con who not only strongly opposed this Iraq War from the get-go, but the first one as well. [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > The Bush plan is economic treason against the American worker. You are correct, Sir. He had obviously been drinking when he said that. [Neo Con Link](http://www.buchanan.org/blog/) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/166 "2008-07-13T03:47:21Z")
He’s also admitted to toking a little weed, too. All I know is if Hunter S. Thompson can get along with him, I can’t dismiss him outright. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/167 "2008-07-13T04:07:04Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] I mean, he’s a Baptist and all, right? [/QUOTE] Actually, no. I see in Wikipedia he’s a Catholic: “Buchanan was baptized into the Roman Catholic Church and attended Blessed Sacrament School, the Jesuit-run Gonzaga College High School, and Georgetown University.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/168 "2008-07-13T04:31:11Z")
I confused him with more rabid Christians. To us Jews, they all look alike. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/169 "2008-07-13T04:48:45Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] I confused him with more rabid Christians. To us Jews, they all look alike. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Must…resist…set up…must…resist…incorrect!..incorrect!..badthink!.. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/170 "2008-07-13T04:50:11Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] He’s also admitted to toking a little weed, too… [/QUOTE] I absolutely, positively, must…_must_ have a cite for this. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/171 "2008-07-13T05:58:59Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] I absolutely, positively, must…_must_ have a cite for this. [/QUOTE] Mentioned in the Wikipedia entry. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/172 "2008-07-13T13:24:37Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] I confused him with more rabid Christians. To us Jews, they all look alike. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Pat Buchanan is a right-wing isolationist corporatist racist xenophobe. He’s not really an evangelical. Mostly he matches up with the Pat Robertson types on the abortion issue. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/173 "2008-07-13T13:39:50Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] Hunter S. Thompson like Pat Buchanan. Amazing how some of these people can be really personable in person. [/QUOTE] I recall a line I heard about Buchanan. That he comes across as a pretty nice guy, and is pleasant to have a chat or a drink with - “until the subject of politics comes up, and the werewolf transformation sets in.” ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/174 "2008-07-13T13:58:13Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] I recall a line I heard about Buchanan. That he comes across as a pretty nice guy, and is pleasant to have a chat or a drink with - “until the subject of politics comes up, and the werewolf transformation sets in.” [/QUOTE] I recall reading an essay by someone who was saying that a lot of the rightist attack dogs he had met – Limbaugh, Buchanan, etc. – were really nice and personable in person. The notable exception was John McLaughlin, whom nobody seemed to like. I seem to recall that the article was actually a profile of McLaughlin. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/175 "2008-07-13T14:04:52Z")
Wait a minute. Who just said that Pat Buchanon was a Neo-con?! Don’t any of you people pay attention? Or do yu just pretend words mean any damned thing you like? _Grumbles from having to hear nitwits who use words they can’t understand for the five buillionth time._ ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/176 "2008-07-13T15:16:31Z")
[QUOTE=acsenray] Pat Buchanan is a right-wing isolationist corporatist racist xenophobe. [/QUOTE] No, no, he’s not a corporatist, he’s a populist. He hates Wall Street almost as much as he hates Mexicans. That’s why he ain’t welcome in the Republican Party no more. Nitpick: In political science, “corporatism” does not mean “supporting the big-business interests,” it means [something different.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/177 "2008-07-13T15:31:01Z")
[QUOTE=smiling bandit] Wait a minute. Who just said that Pat Buchanon was a Neo-con?! [/QUOTE] Yes, actually the Wikipedia entry makes it clear that he became disillusioned with the neo-cons after the early 1970s, so I guess that’s not fair to call him one. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/178 "2008-07-13T18:07:28Z")
For some fun moments, go to youtube & type in Pat Buchanan and Ali G. “My main mon, Pat Boo-can-non!.. Now, how long wuz you Prezident fo’?” ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/179 "2008-07-14T16:18:29Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] That’s pretty hard to believe. I mean, he’s a Baptist and all, right? [/QUOTE] The ABC store in my hometown had a tall brick wall bordering the edge of the parking lot that faced the main road. It was called “the Baptist wall”. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299/180 "2008-07-14T16:40:15Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] Mentioned in the Wikipedia entry. [/QUOTE] I’m not sure this comment in the Ali G interview qualifies as a serious admission. It may be, but I’d like something more substantial in a more serious context. "Ali G interviewed Buchanan on Da Ali G Show in the “Sandwich War” interview, where the commentator played along, in a good-natured manner, in calling WMDs “BLTs.” Buchanan went on to say that he would dramatically change America, and that is why he “would never become president.” Also in the interview, he admitted to previously smoking marijuana when asked, “Yo, is you mashed or something?”, (Buchanan laughing aloud), “You’s like so giggly. You had a little puff before?”, to which he replied, “Oh, sure. I’ve had a little puff before.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesse-helms-is-dead-lets-dance-on-his-grave/455299.md?page=10)