# Jessica Jones - Season Two (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 8, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260 "2018-03-08T20:51:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/41 "2018-03-13T20:52:20Z")
I don’t pretend that MCU = comics (in the latter she can fly!) but she is supposed to/probably has increased endurance and toughness. Nowhere near the level of Luke Cage, but more than a normie. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/42 "2018-03-13T20:55:29Z")
I like the physical awkwardness of Ritter. I think it fits the character better than someone who looks intimidating and is very comfortable with their physicality. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/43 "2018-03-13T22:40:29Z")
Am I the only one tired of superheroes being all, “Woe is me…my superpowers are such a burden…everyone just leave me alone!” Will some superhero just own that shit and be thrilled that they have some amazing power and can help people? This depressing shit is depressing. Quit moping and be happy to be a super powered do-gooder. Closest I can think of to this is The Tick but he goes too far the other way being intentionally over the top ridiculous. Where is the superhero who is kinda happy with his/her powers? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/44 "2018-03-13T22:56:14Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Am I the only one tired of superheroes being all, “Woe is me…my superpowers are such a burden…everyone just leave me alone!” > > Will some superhero just own that shit and be thrilled that they have some amazing power and can help people? > > This depressing shit is depressing. Quit moping and be happy to be a super powered do-gooder. > > Closest I can think of to this is The Tick but he goes too far the other way being intentionally over the top ridiculous. > > Where is the superhero who is kinda happy with his/her powers? “Everybody treats me like I’m different!” Yeah, well duh. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/45 "2018-03-13T23:06:08Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Am I the only one tired of superheroes being all, “Woe is me…my superpowers are such a burden…everyone just leave me alone!” > > Will some superhero just own that shit and be thrilled that they have some amazing power and can help people? > > This depressing shit is depressing. Quit moping and be happy to be a super powered do-gooder. > > Closest I can think of to this is The Tick but he goes too far the other way being intentionally over the top ridiculous. > > Where is the superhero who is kinda happy with his/her powers? Chris Evans pretty much nailed this as Johnny Storm: he’s glad to save lives, but he genuinely enjoys flying for its own sake. Well, and for showing off. And he genuinely enjoys the publicity; also, he genuinely enjoys bedding hot chicks who want to sleep with the super-powered celebrity. And it’d be easy to lean all the way in on the guy lining up lucrative endorsements in his off hours — but, again, he’ll risk his life doing heroic stuff; it’s just that he _also_ likes the cash his powers let him rake in. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/46 "2018-03-13T23:12:55Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Will some superhero just own that shit and be thrilled that they have some amazing power and can help people? Oddly enough, in the comics that _used_ to be Jessica Jones in flashback. Then the Purple Man/Killgrave messed up her shit and that was that. For that matter the early comic version of Hellcat( early Defenders run )was pretty happy-go-lucky as well. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/47 "2018-03-13T23:28:36Z")
She-Hulk usually has something like this in play. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/48 "2018-03-14T16:27:58Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > No, she’s regressed from where she was in season 1. She’s become more selfish, more reckless, and like everyone else except Malcolm, she hasn’t learned anything from her experiences. Regressed how? Trish was just as selfish and self-obsessed in Season 1 as she was in Season 2. She’s been fairly consistently portrayed as someone with addictive tendencies, as well as someone who is obsessed with overcoming her fear of being helpless, to the point of trying to attain powers for herself. They made it clear, starting in “AKA The Sandwich Saved Me” that she wanted to live vicariously through Jessica, and kind of lowkey resented Jessica because she felt like Jessica should be doing more with her powers, and that she would be doing more, if she had powers. They continued to ramp up that obsession over the remainder of Season 1, from her determination to interject herself into Jessica’s showdown with Kilgrave, even though she knew she was in over her head, to taking Nuke’s pill to give herself powers. Season 2 has merely been the continuation of that obsession. > [@Tamerlane](#): > > I’m actually completely on the opposite side of this( except agreeing a little with **Chefguy** about inconsistency and suspect editing/effects ). I like the awkward, non-Wonder Woman approach to super-human strength and the total lack of combat skills. She wasn’t a warrior princess trained since childhood to kill a God. She’s just some random girl who got super-strong( which for all we know could be some sort of localized telekinesis instead of super-density or whatever )and wanted nothing to do with her powers. Agreed. And I really like the fact that MCU Jessica Jones isn’t a super who’s dedicated her life to training in the use of her powers, and that her fighting style is reflective of that. She fights exactly like I’d expect a woman her age, with no formal training, to be able to fight; she just happens to be able to throw a car. And I really like how this show explores how the sort of mental and emotional trauma which can cripple ordinary people is no less crippling to extraordinary people. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Am I the only one tired of superheroes being all, “Woe is me…my superpowers are such a burden…everyone just leave me alone!” > > Will some superhero just own that shit and be thrilled that they have some amazing power and can help people? > > This depressing shit is depressing. Quit moping and be happy to be a super powered do-gooder. > > Closest I can think of to this is The Tick but he goes too far the other way being intentionally over the top ridiculous. > > Where is the superhero who is kinda happy with his/her powers? Well, Speedball was pretty much like that… Well, until that thing happened, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![kiz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kiz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiz)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/49 "2018-03-14T16:37:54Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I can’t stand Carrie Ann-Moss’ character. Didn’t like her in the first season, do not like her in the second. I can not help but predict(we are 8 or 9 episodes in) that she might be the main villain of the second season. I keep thinking she’ll gt an IGH treatment and turn full-blown villain. She already turned off the electricity holding Kilgrave in Season 1! Lady’s a villain! > > I feel bad for Carrie Ann-Moss. She is better than the poor material she has received. I concur. I said to my husband that to me she seemed like she could end up being a villain. He disagreed, citing that she’s been on the _good_ side all along but feels she has to maintain the _serious_ persona to hide her vulnerability. Her breakdown upon discovering her apartment was ransacked made her a bit more sympathetic, at least in my eyes. Her tenacity to bounce back, I think, speaks to those who feel powerless enough to harness their determination in never feeling like that ever again. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/50 "2018-03-14T17:10:12Z")
_ **Have not read the preceding to avoid spoilers.** _ Just started last night - looks great so far. On the one hand, it’s a little unsettling to see Jessica as a perpetual victim, preyed on by so many in such intimate ways. Conversely, though, this is true to life. “Survivor” stories usually entail multiple instances over a lifetime, and the “can’t buy a break” theme has real resonance with reality. Looking forward to the rest of Season 2. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/51 "2018-03-16T01:31:15Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Am I the only one tired of superheroes being all, “Woe is me…my superpowers are such a burden…everyone just leave me alone!” > > Will some superhero just own that shit and be thrilled that they have some amazing power and can help people? > > This depressing shit is depressing. Quit moping and be happy to be a super powered do-gooder. > > Closest I can think of to this is The Tick but he goes too far the other way being intentionally over the top ridiculous. > > Where is the superhero who is kinda happy with his/her powers? When your powers are a side effect of the event that completely ruined your life and killed everyone you love you are not going to be feeling so hunky dory about them. She’s depressed because her family died, she was experimented on which apparently causes anger issues, she was kidnapped repeatedly raped and forced to murder someone. She has deep seated trauma, anger management problems, obviously PTSD, depression and alcoholism, oh yeah… and superpowers. Why the fuck would she be happy about any of it? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/52 "2018-03-16T01:34:42Z")
Finished it today. It was good, not amazing. I like the characters, but the show needed a great villain like Kilgrave. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/53 "2018-03-16T01:45:52Z")
Was Jessica referencing a Spiderman movie when she said “if you say with great power comes great responsibility I’m going to be sick”. I know it’s a famous quote but in the context of the conversation it only makes sense if they are talking about a super hero movie. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/54 "2018-03-16T02:34:08Z")
I wasn’t sure what to expect for Season 2. I liked Season 1, but the more I thought about it, the more I concluded that I liked the idea (“what would it be like to be mind controlled?”) but not so much the actual characters. Then watching “The Defenders”, it seemed like Jessica Jones didn’t have much personality beyond “I’m grumpy”, so I was a bit wary going in. I liked the first few episodes (“who’s killing superheroes?” is a tried-and-true storyline in comics), but I thought the long-lost mother thing was kind of corny, and then the mother plotline seemed to drag on forever. On the other hand, I liked the Hogarth and Trish subplots (way more than the Simpson subplot or the Luke Cage’s wife’s secret information subplot in Season 1, for instance). I read some reviews that suggested the beginning part was boring, but that was what I liked the best, so obviously tastes vary. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/55 "2018-03-16T10:51:03Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Was Jessica referencing a Spiderman movie when she said “if you say with great power comes great responsibility I’m going to be sick”. I know it’s a famous quote but in the context of the conversation it only makes sense if they are talking about a super hero movie. I think it was just [leaning on the 4th wall](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LeaningOnTheFourthWall). ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/56 "2018-03-16T11:34:55Z")
I forgot to mention my favourite part of the season: Claire Temple wasn’t in it! Every time Claire Temple makes an obligatory appearance in one of these Marvel shows, I start to groan. I think the low point was when Danny Rand takes her to China for no reason in “Iron Fist”. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/57 "2018-03-16T13:26:35Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > I forgot to mention my favourite part of the season: Claire Temple wasn’t in it! > > Every time Claire Temple makes an obligatory appearance in one of these Marvel shows, I start to groan. I think the low point was when Danny Rand takes her to China for no reason in “Iron Fist”. She wasn’t on Punisher either. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/58 "2018-03-16T14:58:33Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > It’s online today. My wife and I re-watched the first season the last couple weeks and it is easily the best Marvel show on Netflix. Great, great show. > > However, it relied on having an amazing villain…who she killed at the end of the first season. > > Can they live up to Season 1 without David Tenant as the main villain? > > Spoilers as you watch; I’ll start tonight. I just finished it. Found myself bored at several points. S1 was vastly superior. For some reason, I think Trish will be set up as the “big bad” of S3 _shudder_ ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/59 "2018-03-16T18:09:26Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > For some reason, I think Trish will be set up as the “big bad” of S3 _shudder_ That would really be spitting in the eye of comic canon and Hellcat fans would be outraged. I doubt they’ll actually go there, though some sort “Trish is the big bad, but oh not really” mess might be possible. Hope not, though. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/60 "2018-03-16T18:20:31Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > That would really be spitting in the eye of comic canon and Hellcat fans would be outraged. I doubt they’ll actually go there, though some sort “Trish is the big bad, but oh not really” mess might be possible. Hope not, though. I rather they go against “comic canon” and “hellcat fans” than rug sweep the total cunt she became. What she did the last few episodes was straight up a villain origin story, it cannot be anything else. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260.md?page=4)