# Jessica Jones - Season Two (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 8, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260 "2018-03-08T20:51:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/61 "2018-03-16T18:24:46Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > rug sweet What was that supposed to be before autocorrect got ahold of it? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/62 "2018-03-16T18:25:19Z")
Fixed šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/63 "2018-03-16T19:01:06Z")
Iā€™m only through the 1st 3 so I will go back and read when Iā€™m done. The problem I keep having is with her powers. She seems to be just a normal person until she isnā€™t. Then sheā€™s sometimes as strong and a large man or as strong as Spider-Man. But she can still get her ass kicked pretty easy. And sheā€™s not really a good fighter. I donā€™t mind the superpower not being the star but itā€™s barely an afterthought. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/64 "2018-03-16T19:42:02Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I rather they go against ā€œcomic canonā€ and ā€œhellcat fansā€ than rug sweep the total cunt she became. What she did the last few episodes was straight up a villain origin story, it cannot be anything else. So vengeful! Personally Iā€™m sure two mature, level-headed, together and relatively sane young women like Jessica Jones and Trish Walker can sort this all out over a cup of tea and some finger sandwiches. Two minutes at the start of episode 1 of season 3, tops :p. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/65 "2018-03-18T20:55:44Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > I forgot to mention my favourite part of the season: Claire Temple wasnā€™t in it! > > Every time Claire Temple makes an obligatory appearance in one of these Marvel shows, I start to groan. I think the low point was when Danny Rand takes her to China for no reason in ā€œIron Fistā€. My mind isnā€™t evolved enough to grasp the thought processes of someone who believes that anything could be made better by the absence of Rosario Dawson. šŸ˜• ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/66 "2018-03-18T21:50:43Z")
Tamerlane: > [@](#): > > That would really be spitting in the eye of comic canon and Hellcat fans would be outraged. I doubt theyā€™ll actually go there, though some sort ā€œTrish is the big bad, but oh not reallyā€ mess might be possible. Hope not, though. Unless they make it a plot point of Defenders season 2 - some mystical entity from Kā€™un Lā€™un is involved in the Hellcat situation, and Jessica and Iron Fist call on Daimon Hellstrom for assistanceā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/67 "2018-03-19T10:14:25Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I rather they go against ā€œcomic canonā€ and ā€œhellcat fansā€ than rug sweep the total cunt she became. What she did the last few episodes was straight up a villain origin story, it cannot be anything else. Inclined to agree. She shot JJā€™s mom cold, let alone all of her toxic selfish moves. S3 Big Bad or at least a big arc. I enjoyed it but get why I am in the minority. The use of Tennant was perfect and embodied the overall struggle which defined JJ this season. We got more Hogarth than seemed necessary but Iā€™ll roll with it. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/68 "2018-03-19T23:21:00Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > My mind isnā€™t evolved enough to grasp the thought processes of someone who believes that anything could be made better by the absence of Rosario Dawson. šŸ˜• I notice that youā€™re defending the actress and not saying anything about the character in questionā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/69 "2018-03-20T22:34:08Z")
Iā€¦ wasnā€™t aware I had to do both? I like Claire Temple, the _character_, too. IMHO, she was the only thing interesting about _Daredevil_, and close to the only thing interesting about _Iron Fist_. I especially liked how, after her initial appearance in _Daredevil_, her reaction to all the craziness happening around her was like, ā€œWelp, I guess thatā€™s a thing nowā€¦ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/70 "2018-03-21T18:19:48Z")
I have loved, and will continue to love, this showā€™s portrayal of PTSD and the toll that sexual assault and trauma takes on someone. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/71 "2018-03-21T18:41:14Z")
One thing that really bothers me about the portrayal of Jessica Jones is that while she is all angst-ridden about having broken Kilgraveā€™s neck and become a ā€˜murdererā€™, she seems to feel no guilt whatsoever about all of the people who have died through not only her passive inaction but her facilitating murderers. She could have stopped Kilgrave any time beyond the middle of S1 but allows him essentially free reign, and the same pattern plays out here. Oh, her mother saves some people from a highly contrived road accident? Give her another chance despite the fact that she is an uncontrolled rage monster who has killed multiple people and isnā€™t safe even in her sleep. I also have to go against the grain and say that I do not find Krysten Ritter at all believable or appealing in this role. Itā€™s not the physicalityā€“I can buy into the dissonance of a slight, awkward woman being super-strong and powerfulā€“but Ritter does not sell the role at all. Itā€™s a shame, because sheā€™s frequently overshadowed by the other actors around her, and especially Rachael Taylor and Janet McTeer. Sheā€™s fine at being sarcastic and indifferent, but whenever sheā€™s called upon to express actual empathy sheā€™s completely flat. As far as _Luke Cage_, I love the character and Mike Colterā€™s portrayal of him, but the first series went on way too long and got very silly. Once they introduced ā€˜Shadesā€™ and Diamondback as the real villains and the absurd sibling rivalry subplot I was all but done. But the first six or seven episodes were as good as their own way as _Daredevil_ā€™s first series. The less said about _Iron Fist_, the better. The only good thing about that show is Jessica Henwick, and if they were smart theyā€™d kill off Danny Rand and have her take over as the new Iron Fist. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![kiz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kiz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiz)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/72 "2018-03-21T18:50:56Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Sheā€™s fine at being sarcastic and indifferent, but whenever sheā€™s called upon to express actual empathy sheā€™s completely flat. I read that as Jessica being unable to express actual empathy, not Ritter. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/73 "2018-03-22T04:26:53Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > IMHO, she was the only thing interesting about _Daredevil_, and close to the only thing interesting about _Iron Fist_. Every time she showed up in Iron Fist, I had to ask myself: ā€œWaitā€¦so why is she here again?ā€ I found her presence genuinely perplexing. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/74 "2018-03-22T06:32:16Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Iā€™m only through the 1st 3 so I will go back and read when Iā€™m done. The problem I keep having is with her powers. She seems to be just a normal person until she isnā€™t. Then sheā€™s sometimes as strong and a large man or as strong as Spider-Man. But she can still get her ass kicked pretty easy. And sheā€™s not really a good fighter. I donā€™t mind the superpower not being the star but itā€™s barely an afterthought. I see it this way: Jessica never learned how to actually fight. Up until the start of season one, she never had to. She had the strength, just not the training. Sheā€™d never had to go toe to toe with someone skilled in fighting. She could intimidate people into submission or cooperation. Now thatā€™s not enough. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/75 "2018-03-22T16:33:37Z")
> [@kiz](#): > > I read that as Jessica being unable to express actual empathy, not Ritter. Except there are times when her emotional shell breaks and sheā€™s clearly supposed to emote, and that is when I find her the most implausible. I just donā€™t think Ritter is a particularly good actress and have always been a little,perplexed as to why she is widely considered to be such ā€œdream castingā€ for the role, especially when she is outshone by pretty much everyone else on screen. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/76 "2018-03-23T14:22:43Z")
I thought the overall season was decent, not nearly as compelling as season 1. I thought introducing her mother was ballsy but mostly worked, although I didnā€™t really stop and consider whether suddenly everything earlier in the season made sense. I _love_ Krysten Ritter in this role, and I do buy her as strong when sheā€™s doing things like kicking doors and punching walls. But I do agree (and Iā€™m glad someone else pointed it out so I donā€™t just seem flat up sexist) that when sheā€™s doing other things (particularly running) the physical presence just vanishes. Not sure if thatā€™s intentional or not. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/77 "2018-03-23T14:49:50Z")
Iā€™ll add that Kristen Ritter was the _only_ reason that I started watching the series in the first place. (You died too soon, _Donā€™t Trust the B in Apartment 23_.) ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/78 "2018-03-30T20:07:59Z")
Havenā€™t read the thread yet since Iā€™m still watching. Currently on Episode 9 and this season is just awful. Iā€™m going to stick it out to see where it goes but what a significant change in quality of the story from the first season. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/79 "2018-03-30T20:23:47Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > Havenā€™t read the thread yet since Iā€™m still watching. Currently on Episode 9 and this season is just awful. Iā€™m going to stick it out to see where it goes but what a significant change in quality of the story from the first season. On a positive note, if you have any cray-cray that you donā€™t mind parting with, I think there [may be a buyer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hn85XmyMf8). ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260/80 "2018-05-04T23:44:51Z")
Season 1 of Jessica Jones is one of my absolute favorite shows, certainly my favorite superhero show so far. So devastating, so complete. After the flops that were Iron Fist, Defenders, and Punisher, I had somewhat lowered expectations for Season 2 of Jessica Jones. I just finished it, and my initial impression is ā€“ not as good as Season 1, but not bad. It did seem like a much more claustrophobic atmosphere for some reason ā€¦ every character seemed very isolated. Almost like you could feel they were all on an empty set. Iā€™m not sure how I feel about the appearance of Jessicaā€™s mother. It somewhat dilutes the impact of her back story. And Iā€™m not sure I entirely believed the Stockholm romance of Mom and Evil Scientist. One huge negative for me was the actor playing Patsy/Tricia Walker. She just seemed terrible, especially when she got all shouty. I couldnā€™t figure out what was wrong until it occurred to meā€“is it ā€œtrying really hard to maintain my fake American accentā€ syndrome? I looked her up, and yesā€“Australian! Ugh. Just did not work for me. Oh, and I missed not having Luke Cage and Nurse Claire in the story. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-season-two-open-spoilers/810260.md?page=5)