# Jessica Jones - Series 1 Release Thread \[Open Spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 19, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993 "2015-11-19T17:41:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/201 "2015-12-10T18:47:12Z")
I just finished watching it and really enjoyed it, but I agree with the posters that said the Simpson story line didn’t fit, and that the actor wasn’t up to the level of the other characters. I didn’t read any of the comics, so I didn’t know he was going to be a villain later. That kinda bums me out actually, b/c I don’t want his acting to bring it down next season. One thing after thinking about it that bothered me most of all: so out of all of the thousands of Police in NYC, Killgrave just _happened_ to mind-control the one cop who was an ex Special Forces guy that was involved with the same Super Soldier organization that _happened_ to cause Jessica’s powers? That’s…quite a stretch. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/202 "2015-12-10T21:33:26Z")
It’s even more of stretch that the same organization might have been involved in creating Spider Man, Daredevil, and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (no, I’m not kidding - their origin story is clearly written to reference Daredevil’s), but if so, it’s actually a freakin’ big and careless company that clearly has done a lot of work in in/around New York City, possibly explaining why so many superheros seem to originate there. So basically, saying it’s a stretch all these people are involved is a little like being surprised there is a cluster of illnesses and disorders in a subdivision built on top of a leaking Superfund site. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/203 "2015-12-10T22:07:42Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It’s even more of stretch that the same organization might have been involved in creating Spider Man, Daredevil, and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles… Spider-Man doesn’t have anything to do with whatever company was responsible for creating Daredevil. In the original comic, it was just a random lab that Peter was visiting as a student. In some adaptions, this has been changed to be specifically Oscorp, the corporation owned by Spidey’s arch-nemesis Norman “Green Goblin” Osbourne. The Ninja Turtles also don’t have anything to do with the company that created Daredevil, but in a more literal sense: they’re not a Marvel property. They were created as a parody of the popular trend at the time for mutants (best exemplified by Chris Claremont’s run on X-Men) and ninjas (lots of places, but most specifically Frank Miller’s run on Daredevil). That said, you’re correct that, in the TMNT books, the accident that created the turtles is meant to also be the same accident that blinded Daredevil and gave him his powers. But there’s no superhero named Daredevil in the turtle books, and no ninja turtles in the Daredevil books. It’s just a gag reference for people who were reading Daredevil at the time. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/204 "2015-12-16T20:20:40Z")
> **['Jessica Jones' Is Marvel's Best Show to Date](https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/11/jessica-jones-marvel-netflix/416685/?dcnid=186801&dcsid=2286099&dcpid=125587268&dcaid=298493292&dccid=64495806&mqso=)** > > Krysten Ritter stars in the Netflix series as a tough private detective battling current demons and past trauma. That’s a link to an article on **Atlantic** online which is highly favorable. This week’s **New Yorker** features a write up on Jessica Jones. Over this weekend, on the new New Yorker Radio Hour, the same reviewer, Emily Nussbaum, focused on how Jessica Jones exemplifies the new “Female stories/Female gaze” shows coming out, and how strong the show is for it. This show is getting solid traction as a critically-well-regarded work, and as part of larger cultural commentary. That is not typical Super Hero Movies™ commentary. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/205 "2015-12-19T18:46:56Z")
Sorry to weigh in on such old posts, but I chose not to open the thread until I’d seen all the episodes. > [@bienville](#): > > Kilgrave wasn’t the only person featured in the creepy human experiments videos. Jessica mentions that there are other children just from the files that she’s actually sorted through. When she gives the drive to Luke, she tells him about the human experiment videos that she saw and he says something like “I’m on it too.” Jessica tells him that she didn’t see any files that had anything to do with him. > [@DigitalC](#): > > Uh no, she tells him she only looked at the files about kilgrave because the rest was meant for him from his wife. > [@bienville](#): > > Uh… feeling like a badass laying down your big “Uh no”? > I said she told him she didn’t see the files that had anything to do with him. > You said she told him she only looked at the files about Kilgrave. > > Uh, so? Uh, what distinction are you grandstanding about? Uh, we both stated the same facts just with a different focus and emphasis. **bienville** said Jessica said she “didn’t see any files that had anything to do with him.” To me, this sounds like “I looked at all the files on the drive and there weren’t any there that had to do with you.” **DigitalC** said she said “she only looked at the files about Kilgrave because the rest was meant for him from his wife.” In other words, there were files on the drive about Cage, but she didn’t look at them. Two different things. And, snottiness aside, you’re both wrong — **bienville** about what she said, and **DigitalC** about what he said. “This belonged to Reva. When she told you to dig up that basement, this is what she wanted you to find. There’s videos on it — experiments on kids. Killgrave was one of them. A lot of other files, but I didn’t open them. It was meant for you.” “For security. To protect me.” I’m guessing that whatever else is on the drive will prompt, or at least figure into, the events of the Luke Cage series. ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/206 "2015-12-19T18:51:26Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Well now if that wasn’t the most satisfying neck snap in the history of neck snaps. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I found it very anticlimactic, myself. As did I, just in terms of how much screen time it took. While not necessarily wanting to go as far as **Bryan Ekers** , I think that it would have been better dramatically if she’d spent 10 or 15 or 20 seconds killing him rather than just 2. ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/207 "2015-12-19T18:56:38Z")
I was very impressed with how well everything tied together. I was getting annoyed with the divorce subplot, thinking it a distraction, but then it became what allowed Kilgrave to escape from the tank. After the upstairs neighbor was killed, I became more than annoyed with the sister (and kudos to that actress four making me hate her so thoroughly), but then she became what allowed Kilgrave to escape from Jessica in the bar. The only thing that didn’t fit in is Will becoming a super-nut job. But I assume that was a setup for season 2, so I’m OK with it. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/208 "2015-12-19T20:14:55Z")
Was I the only one to get the idea that there was some sort of incest/BDSM thing going on with the brother/sister neighbors? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/209 "2015-12-19T20:54:47Z")
No, I got that vibe, too. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/210 "2015-12-19T21:14:37Z")
Me too. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/211 "2015-12-19T21:29:30Z")
I think that was the intended implication in their initial appearances, but I suspect they weren’t actually incestuous, just deeply, deeply weird. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2015, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/212 "2015-12-19T23:15:37Z")
Why did Kilgrave approach her at the end? He called, as we all did, that she was faking her “trance”. He had no control over her. He went from taking Trish to approaching Jessica instantly. It seemed so rushed, I must have missed something. Of course she killed him. He was a fool to approach her. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/213 "2015-12-20T00:14:18Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Why did Kilgrave approach her at the end? He called, as we all did, that she was faking her “trance”. He had no control over her. He went from taking Trish to approaching Jessica instantly. He had been diligently workin to amplfy his power and Jessica did just good enough of an acting job at the end that he let himself believe ( as no doubt he desperately wanted to ) that he had re-established control. With the helpful boost of his self-delusion he approached thinking he had finally won. Fron the script: _Oh, God, it’s true, isn’t it? You would let me take your beloved sister. My God. It’s finally over. You’re mine now. No more fighting._ ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/214 "2015-12-21T19:25:33Z")
Yes. He pretended he was going to take Trish with him forever, and Jessica didn’t move to stop him. He figured that if she were faking, that would make her drop the act. He was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/215 "2015-12-21T20:56:06Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Was I the only one to get the idea that there was some sort of incest/BDSM thing going on with the brother/sister neighbors? I thought they’d been more-or-less explicit that there was something incestuous going on. I’d say they’d pulled off a coup making these clearly icky characters sympathetic in the end. The sister was weird, which made it work that she reacted weirdly to finding out her brother had been killed, but she was nonetheless consistent so that she didn’t suddenly roll over and start being sensible like everyone else after she realized the consequences of helping Kilgrave escape. And yet, she had her own brand of stark, raving sanity. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/216 "2015-12-21T21:05:38Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Was I the only one to get the idea that there was some sort of incest/BDSM thing going on with the brother/sister neighbors? It was explicitly stated that they were in an incestuous relationship. In one of the first episodes, Jessica complains to them that she can hear them having sex and then it is revealed that they are also brother and sister. Like **Johnny Angel** said, it’s pretty impressive that an incestuous couple were also sympathetic. I didn’t know George R.R. Martin wrote for Marvel. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/217 "2015-12-22T05:22:56Z")
I guess I need to rewatch from the beginning. I missed it being explicitly stated - I picked it up as being more subtle. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/218 "2015-12-22T06:00:17Z")
Well, Jessica assumes that the noises coming from their apartment are them fucking. That doesn’t necessarily mean that’s what those noises are. Either way, I really liked how they repeatedly introduced a “goofy character” (Weird twins who are way too close to each other! Junkie who forgets which apartment is his!) and then give them genuine pathos without betraying the earlier characterization. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/219 "2015-12-22T19:03:45Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Well, Jessica assumes that the noises coming from their apartment are them fucking. That doesn’t necessarily mean that’s what those noises are. When confronted, the sister turned out to be holding a raw chicken breast. I recuse myself from speculating. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/220 "2015-12-23T16:34:17Z")
I have to say, I loved the cameo of Claire Temple from the Daredevil series. “You know, I have a friend, he does this sort of thing, he might come in handy…” 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993.md?page=12)