# Jessica Jones - Series 1 Release Thread \[Open Spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 19, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993 "2015-11-19T17:41:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/141 "2015-11-30T16:36:25Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Well, maybe it was an upper class liquor store. šŸ™‚ Either way, obvious product placement. Must have been. Wild Turkey is not the uber-cheapo stuff. She should have walked out with store-brand. > [@Miller](#): > > Kidney transplants, even successful ones, only last a few years. I know a guy whoā€™s looking at going back on the donor list in the next few months, as his one donated kidney is starting to lose function. But could a non-match pair(or one) of kidneys work for more than a few days? Even with anti-rejection medication? ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/142 "2015-11-30T17:03:48Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Must have been. Wild Turkey is not the uber-cheapo stuff. She should have walked out with store-brand. In a later episode, sheā€™s drinking ā€˜Wild Fowlā€™, however, so maybe the product placement contract ran outā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/143 "2015-11-30T17:36:40Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Oh, one question about that though: when she said ā€œyou canā€™t ingest Sufentanilā€, this is a lie because the two workers get knocked out cold, right? But then why does she inject him anyway? And wasnā€™t she eating the same food? (I didnā€™t notice if there were pre-separated portions or not) Not sure about the other stuff but she was having a ā€œliquid dinner.ā€ Just wine. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/144 "2015-11-30T17:37:54Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Not sure about the other stuff but she was having a ā€œliquid dinner.ā€ Just wine. Kilgrave made her eat a bit of it first, though, to make sure it wasnā€™t drugged. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/145 "2015-11-30T17:52:26Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Kilgrave made her eat a bit of it first, though, to make sure it wasnā€™t drugged. Aha, missed that! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/146 "2015-11-30T18:35:38Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Must have been. Wild Turkey is not the uber-cheapo stuff. She should have walked out with store-brand. > > But could a non-match pair(or one) of kidneys work for more than a few days? Even with anti-rejection medication? My friend who had a kidney transplant said a kidney might work, but the blood type is the main problem. Is is possible Kilgrave knows he is a universal receiver? AB+, I believe is the kind you need? Still, I find it incredible that you could live two years with randomly selected kidneys. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/147 "2015-11-30T19:04:47Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > In a later episode, sheā€™s drinking ā€˜Wild Fowlā€™, however, so maybe the product placement contract ran outā€¦ The frequency with which Wild Turkey showed up suggested product placement except as far as I know liquor companies aver carefully from associating their products with actual alcoholism. Also, their brand manager would probably have flipped to have the label show up right after Jessica requested the ā€œcheapest bourbonā€. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/148 "2015-11-30T19:14:03Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > Oh, hereā€™s something puzzling me: Jones asks for the cheapest bourbon at the liquor store, but comes home with Wild Turkey. Itā€™s been a while since Iā€™ve perused a liquor store at any length, but I recall Wild Turkey being somewhat upmarket. Now, if sheā€™d picked up a fifth of Old Crowā€¦ > [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > In a later episode, sheā€™s drinking ā€˜Wild Fowlā€™, however, so maybe the product placement contract ran outā€¦ I suspect there was no product placement contract. Aside from the fact that she seems to be drinking a different brand every time, I wouldnā€™t think a paid product placement would go for being described as ā€œthe cheapest one ya got.ā€ > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Only one episode in. Didnā€™t read the thread because I donā€™t want spoilers, but I have a question: > > Did anyone here watch _Donā€™t Trust the B- in Apartment 23_? I was a decent show, but I absolutely cannot buy the hard-drinkinā€™, hard-fightinā€™, hard-talkinā€™, hard-screwinā€™, character that sheā€™s portraying because I keep picturing her getting into shenanigans with James Van Der Beek instead. I just started binge-watching _DTtBiA23_ last night, specifically because I found out she was in it. Started watching around 8:30PM, only stopped when I looked up and saw it was 3:00AM. _Loving it._. Iā€™m not experiencing any dissonance while seeing the differences between the two characters/premises, but maybe thatā€™s because Iā€™m seeing the two characters in the reverse order that you did. OTOH, Iā€™m also pretty good at mentally separating the actor from the character. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/149 "2015-12-01T08:22:07Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Only one episode in. Didnā€™t read the thread because I donā€™t want spoilers, but I have a question: > > Did anyone here watch _Donā€™t Trust the B- in Apartment 23_? I binge watched it a few weeks ago specifically because I knew I wanted to watch _Jessica Jones_ but I had never seen Ritter in anything before, so I wanted to know her a bit as an actress before watching _Jessica Jones_. I didnā€™t commit to a binge watch ahead of time, just wanted to a least watch a few episodes to get to know her work a little, but I liked the show and the full series run was so short that I binge watched it easily. If youā€™re only one episode in, I think youā€™ll definitely accept Ritter as Jessica Jones by the end of the next episode or two. She really does very well and truly lives in the character. Itā€™s the comparison of her performances in these two _very_ different roles that has me now really respecting her as a great actress. Regarding _Donā€™t Trust The B- in Apt. 23_ā€¦ The network _really_ screwed that show over with the messed up episode order. I thought it started off pretty good then progressively got better as Season 2 started. Apparently, though, ā€œSeason 1ā€ was just the first half of Season 1 run as a mid-season replacement in the Spring. Then in the Fall they started airing the newly shot episodes for Season 2 ā€¦then halfway through the new episodes, they ran the second half of the unaired Season 1 episodes ā€¦then they went back to airing the last Season 2 episodes. What. The. Fuck? I know that if I had attempted to watch it during its original run, when it needed viewers to determine its success and possible continuation, I probably would have given up on the show. As I said, I thought it started off ā€œpretty goodā€ but thatā€™s not enough to really get me hooked. Then it started getting better, so I would have continued giving it a chance- Iā€™d have watched into the start of Season 2 and, since it was getting even better at that point, Iā€™d have been prepared to make it regular viewing. But then the unaired Season 1 episodes came in which aired in order would have seemed fine with the quality slightly increasing with each episode but aired after the Season 2 episodes it was a definitely drop in quality _plus_ the plot arcs got all screwed up and that became confusing! I defintley would have dropped the show from my viewing schedule and I would not be surprised to learn that that is the exact reason why the show ultimately failed. Once a show goes to streaming or DVD release, shouldnā€™t a screwed up broadcast order be an trivially easy mistake to fix? I didnā€™t know about the screwed up order before I started viewing on Netflix, otherwise Iā€™d have done a search about the proper production order and Iā€™d have watched in that order. Why couldnā€™t it have just been sent to Netflix with the order fixed? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/150 "2015-12-01T09:12:44Z")
I only saw Ritter once in Breaking Bad (that tells you how far Iā€™ve gotten into the show, no doubt) but even then I was struck by how different she was from her Veronica Mars character. Obviously in Veronica Mars she was a teenaged airhead, whereas in Breaking Bad she was mature and intelligent. That made a huge difference in what you read into those dark sleepy and ample lips. But those same striking features that helped her look ditzy in Veronica Mars actually helped sell her as a hard-boiled, hard-drinking, brooding badass in Jessica Jones. I guess itā€™s what they call acting. It was a source of ongoing amusement to me that Jones used her super strength mostly for breaking and entering. They were kind of vague about her resistance to damage and healing ability, but overall I think they did a better job humanizing her than Die Hard 4 did making anybody seem human. If Iā€™m understanding it, Luke Cage (I never actually read his comics) has unbreakable skin but is basically just as squishy past that as anybody? Well, obviously that canā€™t be true, or the concussion from the explosion would have jellied him on the inside. That needs a better explanation than simply repeating that his skin is unbreakable. And he must have super strength. He can punch right through at least two layers of dry wall, after all. Years ago, while GMing the Marvel Super Heroes game, I discovered to my horror that you do not want to allow players access to mind control powers. Hell, we joke about how they keep having to knock Professor X out in the X-Men movies so he canā€™t just press the ā€˜winā€™ button and go home. Iā€™d say they handled mind control well here, though the amazing coincidence that there happened to be a sound-proof isolation chamber available raised an eyebrow. I will admit that I didnā€™t even think to wonder why nobody was using earplugs until the last episode, but it sure did turn into a major plot hole once the show itself pointed the issue out to me. Would a person have to obey if he managed to effectively gesticulate a command? In any case, they built up and completely dropped the whole thing about the anti-virus. It never came up again after the dad sprayed it on himself and we have to assume it never did shit. But itā€™s a hell of a gun on the mantle to just get ignored later on. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/151 "2015-12-01T18:43:39Z")
I may need to rewatch. The revelation about Kilgraveā€™s power over Jessica near the end wasnā€™t entirely out of left field for me, but that interrogation cell scene takes on a whole new tone in retrospectā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/152 "2015-12-01T18:57:03Z")
I thought the deal was that he still didnā€™t have power over her, she just faked it to get close enough to end him before he made anybody else kill themselves. And even if he had power over her, we were supposed to understand that it was because of the new augmentation that had happened since the interrogation incident, even after the encounter at the club. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/153 "2015-12-01T18:58:19Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > In any case, they built up and completely dropped the whole thing about the anti-virus. It never came up again after the dad sprayed it on himself and we have to assume it never did shit. But itā€™s a hell of a gun on the mantle to just get ignored later on. Well, once Kilgrave took his Dad, they didnā€™t really have an option to make more. I think the idea is that the dad working on a vaccine gave Kilgrave the idea that he could improve his powers. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/154 "2015-12-01T19:34:55Z")
The one area in which I call ā€œBullshitā€ was the revelation that Jessica broke free of Killgraveā€™s control because she realllllly, reaaaaaaalllly didnā€™t wanna kill Mrs. Cage. Uh-huh. Because Mommy Killgrave was just fine with stabbing herself dozens of times with scissors? All the other atrocities that Killgrave made people do, they were fine with? Not so much. I thought the resistance would be caused by something like getting Killgraveā€™s blood on her or something. But just rilly thinking what she was made to do was icky? Not so much. Donā€™t get me wrong: I enjoyed the hell out of the show, I thought substituting Patsy Walker for Carol Danvers as a best friend was inspired, Luke Cageā€™s acting was greatā€¦but that one bit really annoyed me. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/155 "2015-12-01T19:41:20Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > I binge watched it a few weeks ago specifically because I knew I wanted to watch _Jessica Jones_ but I had never seen Ritter in anything before, so I wanted to know her a bit as an actress before watching _Jessica Jones_. > > I didnā€™t commit to a binge watch ahead of time, just wanted to a least watch a few episodes to get to know her work a little, but I liked the show and the full series run was so short that I binge watched it easily. > > If youā€™re only one episode in, I think youā€™ll definitely accept Ritter as Jessica Jones by the end of the next episode or two. She really does very well and truly lives in the character. Itā€™s the comparison of her performances in these two _very_ different roles that has me now really respecting her as a great actress. > Regarding _Donā€™t Trust The B- in Apt. 23_ā€¦ > The network _really_ screwed that show over with the messed up episode order. I thought it started off pretty good then progressively got better as Season 2 started. Apparently, though, ā€œSeason 1ā€ was just the first half of Season 1 run as a mid-season replacement in the Spring. Then in the Fall they started airing the newly shot episodes for Season 2 ā€¦then halfway through the new episodes, they ran the second half of the unaired Season 1 episodes ā€¦then they went back to airing the last Season 2 episodes. What. The. Fuck? Well that explains why, two episodes after she finally got her big Wall Street job, she was back to working in the coffee shop, with no explanation ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/156 "2015-12-01T19:53:25Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > The one area in which I call ā€œBullshitā€ was the revelation that Jessica broke free of Killgraveā€™s control because she realllllly, reaaaaaaalllly didnā€™t wanna kill Mrs. Cage. > > Uh-huh. > > Because Mommy Killgrave was just fine with stabbing herself dozens of times with scissors? All the other atrocities that Killgrave made people do, they were fine with? Not so much. > > I thought the resistance would be caused by something like getting Killgraveā€™s blood on her or something. But just rilly thinking what she was made to do was icky? Not so much. Mommy Kilgrave didnā€™t have superpowers. Maybe it was something about Jessicaā€™s powers that let her break free. I bet Luke could have done the same, given the right stimulus and enough time. Remember, Jessica had quite a while to get accustomed to Kilgraveā€™s powers before she broke freeā€“maybe she built up an immunity (partially because of her powers). ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/157 "2015-12-01T20:01:18Z")
Mommy Kilgrave might also have had some underlying self-destructive or depressive streak meaning she was more likely to self-harm/kill herself anyway. (Iā€™m only halfway through at this posting, so Iā€™m not entirely sure what happened to Mommy Kilgrave. Shhh! Donā€™t tell me, Iā€™ll find out in a day or two anyway!) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/158 "2015-12-01T20:10:45Z")
They do in fact push the idea that conscience was what helped developed Jessicaā€™s immunity, but that suggests everybody else must have wanted to do all that other shit deep down inside. I myself think that when they get a chance to retcon that itā€™ll be more like 1) she developed antibodies, having been around him so long and so intimately, and possbily related to her other better-than-human healing abilities and/or 2) having been part of a related experiment Jessica something something blah blah. Or, and here Iā€™m indulging in pure fan wankery 3) Wild Turkey is an anti-viral serum. No, no, follow me on this: wait, no, thatā€™s the entire theory. Iā€™m ready to print up some t-shirts. ā€œI donā€™t always have free will, but when I do I choose Wild Turkey.ā€ Actually, although it really stood out for me possibly because of having it characterized as ā€˜cheapā€™, Wild Turkey isnā€™t even the most commonly recurring tipple in the show, [according to this more detailed study](http://www.buzzfeed.com/danieldalton/is-it-still-ladies-night). Her tastes seem to be pretty high-falutinā€™ for somebody apparently so short on cash. She can take a bullet in the shoulder from three meters, but damned if sheā€™s going to take a slug of 100 Pipers or Aristocrat vodka from anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/159 "2015-12-01T20:13:22Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Mommy Kilgrave didnā€™t have superpowers. Maybe it was something about Jessicaā€™s powers that let her break free. I bet Luke could have done the same, given the right stimulus and enough time. Remember, Jessica had quite a while to get accustomed to Kilgraveā€™s powers before she broke freeā€“maybe she built up an immunity (partially because of her powers). Yeah, my fanwank is something like that. Particularly given that Kilgraveā€™s power is expressly described as viral. I figure that her super physiology wasnā€™t enough to make her outright immune, but was able to eventually weaken the virus enough that Jessica could break his control. Possibly this could happen to a regular human as well, but on a much longer time-scale, probably well past the point where Kilgrave usually gets bored with his victims and disposes of them. **Broomstick** : No, thatā€™s pretty certainly not an element in it. Not unless every other person Kilgrave forces to self-harm is also depressive, and thereā€™s a lot of them. Not to mention, given that Kilgraveā€™s power is explicitly described as rape, suggesting that it only works because his victims secretly want it is hinky as hell. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993/160 "2015-12-01T20:33:50Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Watched an ep or two, but it wasnā€™t really my thing. But whatever she stars in, she will always, always be Jane to me (and Walt didnā€™t kill her, either). I have to admit, I laughed a bit at the scene where Jessica gave Malcolm a lecture about how it was his choice whether to keep using or not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jessica-jones-series-1-release-thread-open-spoilers/737993.md?page=9)