When is that? Can’t recall.
A good series. David Tennent was by far the best thing about it, and it’s going to suffer with him dead.
IIRC, in eps one and two, she hears them loudly having sex. In episode 2 she confronts them about how loud.
I rewatched the first few episodes recently - the noise that annoys Jessica is shouting and arguing, and clearly not sex noises. Jessica assumes they are an argumentative couple until she discovers that they are argumentative siblings. I saw/heard nothing to indicate that they were actually incestuous, only that they were odd and a bit creepy.
That doesn’t mean they definitely weren’t incestuous, but there is nothing in the show that confirms that they were. Rewatch it yourself if you don’t believe me.
I got the feeling that they were’nt incestuous; they were thought of as a couple; living together and all, but discovered to be brother and sister. She was protective of him; because they were alone in the world. They are supposed to be weird rather than sick?
We have been watching too much GoT.
I just binged on this over the last few days and wanted to chime in with how much I enjoyed this show. I think I liked it even better than Daredevil, but I need some distance from it before I can say. I knew nothing about the Jessica Jones character from the comics before watching this.
Ritter is really great. I’d only seen her in Breaking Bad, which was a significant but small role. Jessica spends most of this series hating herself–I hope if there’s another season she moves beyond that.
Tennant was very good as the villain. Evil, but not too over-the-top. Didn’t chew the scenery too much.
Rachael Taylor as Trish is also very good. She sold the sisterly-love relationship well. And she’s freakin’ gorgeous.
I have a few quibbles with the story. It felt like they were just stretching things out a bit around episode 10 or so. And it kind of got old how often they captured and then lost Kilgrave. I know Jessica felt a strong connection to Hope and wanted to exonerate her, but in trying to take Kilgrave alive instead of just killing him, how many more people died?
On the other hand, I liked that Kilgrave was a resourceful and very dangerous opponent. I liked that the show was unreservedly ‘R-rated’ and didn’t beat around the bush about the fact that Kilgrave was raping Jessica when she was in his spell.
I liked Jessica’s journey and struggle with guilt and how that was mirrored in Hope’s story. I felt like by the end of the series, she had grown and come to terms with some things. Not completely healed or changed, but there was some progress.
Sounds like the show has been very well-received and a second season of Jessica Jones is practically a given, in addition to Jessica appearing in the Defenders miniseries.
Didn’t read through the thread: I’ve watched the four first episodes, but I’m not really smitten yet… Will it up the pace later on in the show? I like Cage and EvilWho, but that’s about it…
So here’s my one thing. Yes, he was a lunkhead. Yes, he was arrogant. Yes, he turned into a raving murderer.
But he wasn’t wrong.
Jessica’s and Trish’s plan was a complete 100% failure. They didn’t get Hope freed, they didn’t get evidence, they didn’t take Killgrave alive. Simpson, for all his awfulness, was right. If Jessica had gotten out of his way and let him kill Killgrave–let him use a pistol, not a tranq gun–many, many people would have lived.
I like to think JJ realized that at the end, that after she killed Killgrave with her hands, she thought about Simpson, how much she’d resisted his deadly solution, how he was clearly a villain, and how she’d in the end done the thing he said to do.
Jones’ top priority was proving Hope innocent, which a dead Killgrave wouldn’t accomplish. And her plan was successful - she captured him and, using his parents, got him to demonstrate his powers in front of a police witness. Other people screwed up everything (Killgrave was freed twice by others not under his control), but the plan itself worked.
That wasn’t the plan, to begin with. They found out about the parents after Killgrave was locked, and by sheer luck.
The actual plan consisted of:
1 - Find Killgrave.
2 - Lock him up with a camera in front of him.
3 - ???
4 - profit!
It may have been a convenient way of stretching out the plot while giving the impression of things happening for the viewer, but let’s not pretend it made any logical sense. The second half of the season consisted of highly unrealistic constant deus ex machinas and random plot twists until they ran out of episodes and were allowed to just be done with it.
Not a bad show. I enjoyed it. But it is what it is.
I think you’re cutting off her “top priority” too early. She wanted to prove Hope innocent so that Hope could lead a normal life outside of prison. I really don’t think JJ would consider her plan re: Hope to be a smashing success.
The plan was always to capture Killgrave and prove he’d mind-controlled Hope. The biggest sticking points were getting a credible witness there (the cop) and getting Killgrave to use his powers on someone. Yeah, things went sideways (in part because she didn’t yet know she was immune, so he couldn’t demonstrate on her), but she got the SOB there with no collateral damage, as planned. As the saying goes, the plan wasn’t fucked up, people fucked the plan up.
And you can’t play the “If she’d just killed the guy right off” card, because that card is currently holding up TWO comicbook universes.
There was a whole police department filled to the brim with cops who were reliable witnesses. More than witnesses, victims. And they still chose to ignore it. Lester Freamon from the Wire had been mind controlled himself BEFORE seeing Killgrave in action.
The cops, just a couple episodes before, chose to ignore it all and even get rid of a disembodied head in order to avoid ridicule. And maybe they were right in doing so, since the whole universe seemed hell bent in avoiding thinking about superpowered individuals. I don’t see how a recording and a new witness, of which there was a whole support group of, would make any evidence less inadmissible.
Because one thing is saying that you enjoy the show so much that you can handwave away the parts that make no sense, and another not seeing them. You can accept that in his universe, people don’t recognize Superman while he’s wearing glasses, but really, you know that’s not realistic.
At the police precinct, Kilgrave used his mind powers on the victims so they would “remember all this as a big joke.” He also got one of the victims to destroy the camera evidence.
Killgrave specifically stated that he can’t make them actually forget, only destroy the evidence, and the character played by Clarke Peters explains to Jessica later how everyone chose to just ignore what happened.
He can’t make them forget, but he can make them remember it through a filter where they all knew it was a big joke. And because it was a joke that could get many of them fired, no one wants to talk about it. People can rationalize a lot…it’s been shown in memory studies.
Also, Killgrave took the bag with the head in it when he left, so that piece of physical evidence wasn’t around anymore to jar them all out of their ‘wow, what a hilarious joke!’ mental state.
Yes, they can. That’s precisely why the “plan” made no sense. No matter what Killgrave did, it wouldn’t be convincing, since it wasn’t something physical. not to mention that whatever he did or said wouldn’t fly on court since he was locked against his will at the time.
Point is, the detective remembered evetrything. Remembered seeing it all and said so. What he saw later shouldn’t have convinced him more than the fact that he literally lived it.
Hey, did Jessica want a reliable witness? How about hero cop who literally was Killgrave’s victim and remembered everything?
Just because it was the “hero’s” plan, doesn’t mean it’s a good one. After all, one of the main characteristics of Jessica Jones is that she’s fucked up.
Absolutely. That part, however, wasn’t written to show how Jessica, and the two people who knew about the plan aside from her, were dumb. That wasn’t a plot point made to explain that she’s insane. It was just bad writing.
There’s plenty of good writing in that show. That wasn’t it.
I’m not sure what you mean by “something physical?”