# Jesus and the needy question **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 9, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048 "2015-10-09T17:39:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/21 "2015-10-09T18:28:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Yes. have you read the words attributed to Jesus? Admittedly, I haven’t. I found these, but I suppose they are open to interpretation. Which is what I was asking for in the first place: (Forgive me if they are OT) Luke 3:11 ESV / 15 helpful votes And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.” Isaiah 58:7 ESV / 36 helpful votes Is it not to share your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into your house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/22 "2015-10-09T18:31:13Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > I thought Jesus was God. And vice versa. If so, wouldn’t the OT carry the same weight? Or have they stopped using the OT during Mass? Doesn’t exactly work that way. Jesus’s teachings are more of the straight forward explanations of the teachings of the OT. The OT is hard to understand, with meaning ‘veiled’, and one needs the assistance of God (through the Holy Spirit) to make sense of them. In I believe the end of Luke, It says (from memory) that (the resurrected) Jesus ‘opened the scriptures to them’ meaning that Jesus gave them the understanding. (the torn veil, we can now see through to the hidden meaning) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/23 "2015-10-09T18:33:33Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > Admittedly, I haven’t. I found these, but I suppose they are open to interpretation. Which is what I was asking for in the first place: (Forgive me if they are OT) > > Luke 3:11 ESV / 15 helpful votes > > And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.” > > Isaiah 58:7 ESV / 36 helpful votes > > Is it not to share your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into your house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh? **Isaiah** is the _Prophet Isaiah_ who died hundreds of years before Jesus was born. As we said, he’s Old Testament, not the Teachings of Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/24 "2015-10-09T18:33:39Z")
I guess ultimately what I’m asking is if Jesus was in your house today and someone of need came to your house that same day needing shelter, what are you supposed to do according to the Gospels? Would Jesus say: “there is a shelter down the street, they will be fine there.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/25 "2015-10-09T18:35:14Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > I guess ultimately what I’m asking is if Jesus was in your house today and someone of need came to your house that same day needing shelter, what are you supposed to do according to the Gospels? Would Jesus say: “there is a shelter down the street, they will be fine there.” Sure. Hand him a sandwich and a jacket if he needs one, and then make sure you support that Shelter or others like it. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/26 "2015-10-09T18:36:29Z")
Why is there such evasiveness about this question? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/27 "2015-10-09T18:37:40Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > I guess ultimately what I’m asking is if Jesus was in your house today and someone of need came to your house that same day needing shelter, what are you supposed to do according to the Gospels? Would Jesus say: “there is a shelter down the street, they will be fine there.” Jesus had the gift of discernment and a constant relationship with the Father. There is not a one size its all answer, he may tell that person to go to this person or place, may have taken him in, may have called him out of being a scammer, may of healed him. With the same spirit we are suppose to use the same gifts in the same relationship with the Father, so no direct answer except to pray, listen and act. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/28 "2015-10-09T18:38:31Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > Why is there such evasiveness about this question? There’s no evasiveness. You simply have “heard something” about the Teachings of Jesus which is not correct. You clearly are ignorant on the subject or you wouldnt have started the OP. We are actually trying to educate you, but you dont seem to be able or willing to understand. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/29 "2015-10-09T18:39:51Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Jesus had the gift of discernment and a constant relationship with the Father. There is not a one size its all answer, he may tell that person to go to this person or place, may have taken him in, may have called him out of being a scammer, may of healed him. > > With the same spirit we are suppose to use the same gifts in the same relationship with the Father, so no direct answer except to pray, listen and act. So, feel them out first, and if we detect something a bit off, send them on their way. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/30 "2015-10-09T18:43:53Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > There’s no evasiveness. You simply have “heard something” about the Teachings of Jesus which is not correct. You clearly are ignorant on the subject or you wouldnt have started the OP. > > We are actually trying to educate you, but you dont seem to be able or willing to understand. I get it. It seems pick and choose who you want to help directly. That’s all I wanted to know. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/31 "2015-10-09T18:44:10Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > I guess ultimately what I’m asking is if Jesus was in your house today and someone of need came to your house that same day needing shelter, what are you supposed to do according to the Gospels? Would Jesus say: “there is a shelter down the street, they will be fine there.” The Gospel says that you are supposed to provide help to that person. There is no specific “you must help that person _in this way_” direction given. So, in this case, help might be: - Provide shelter in your own home - Provide direction to a homeless shelter - Provide means for them to gain shelter …among a number of other legitimate, faithful actions. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/32 "2015-10-09T18:44:42Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > So, feel them out first, and if we detect something a bit off, send them on their way. And if it seems true, help as you feel lead, which may be taking them in or something else. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/33 "2015-10-09T18:45:24Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > I get it. It seems pick and choose who you want to help directly. That’s all I wanted to know. No. Why not \*study \*the Teachings of Jesus, rather than make stuff up? Forfuckssake, you can get a NT Bible for free or just read it on the internet. Or take a class. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/34 "2015-10-09T18:48:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No. Why not \*study \*the Teachings of Jesus, rather than make stuff up? Forfuckssake, you can get a NT Bible for free or just read it on the internet. Or take a class. Or something. Someone upthread answered my question. You did not. You rambled for naught. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/35 "2015-10-09T19:03:49Z")
As a followup (that maybe should be posted to another channel): Is there any “current” religion that provides for direct help into your home, as needed? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/36 "2015-10-09T19:08:03Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > I guess ultimately what I’m asking is if Jesus was in your house today and someone of need came to your house that same day needing shelter, what are you supposed to do according to the Gospels? **Would Jesus say:** “there is a shelter down the street, they will be fine there.” emph. mine. You want a message board to tell you what Jesus would say? Seriously? Okay, then I suppose he’d say…“you think your lag is bad, it took me three days to respawn.” ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/37 "2015-10-09T19:18:00Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > emph. mine. > > You want a message board to tell you what Jesus would say? Seriously? Okay, then I suppose he’d say…“you think your lag is bad, it took me three days to respawn.” You fuckin’ nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/38 "2015-10-09T19:24:13Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > Why is there such evasiveness about this question? Our left arms are itchy, if you catch my drift. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/39 "2015-10-09T19:26:02Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > I get it. It seems pick and choose who you want to help directly. That’s all I wanted to know. How the hell did you get _that_ from what he said? Face it: You screwed up and posted what you thought Jesus said without bothering to find out if he actually said it, and when asked to back it up you provided quotes from centuries before he was even born. Edited to add: Mistakes of this caliber wouldn’t even pass in Vacation Bible School. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048/40 "2015-10-09T19:41:14Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > As a followup (that maybe should be posted to another channel): Is there any “current” religion that provides for direct help into your home, as needed? Is the real purpose of this thread to find someone whose place you can crash at? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-and-the-needy-question/734048.md?page=3)