# Jesus is God. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2012, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152 "2012-10-08T23:37:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/201 "2012-10-09T12:07:18Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > I believe that Jesus is God. You can tell from how loving and wise He was. He said, ‘I and the Father are one.’ And it was also said of Him that He would be called Wonderful, Counselor, Might God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. > > Jesus is the everlasting Father. He is Love itself. > > God does not get angry. He does not frown on us or punish us. The only punishment that we receive is from ourselves. Our wicked ways punish us. > > God is always looking down on us with love. He is always smiling at us. 🙂 According to the psalmist all are gods, Psalm 81 inRCV,82 in KJV then Jesus backs this up in John 10 when accused of blasphemy.Plus we know that it is a fact that there is NOTHING ever written, taught , said, or thought that wasn’t from another human being, so in fact we are just taking the word of another human and it just depends on what human we choose to believe! ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/202 "2012-10-09T12:12:55Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > God values freedom above all things because He knows that we can’t be happy without it. He must allow for hell so that we can be free. I don’t see that making Him a twat. I see that as mercy. > > We couldn’t be happy without freedom. Do you not agree? Since one says, God knows all things past, present, and future, then he must like to play games and doesn’t care if a child of his suffers it’s whole life time, and if the children don’t do exactly as he says they should do he punishes them or lets them harm themselves. If you knew your child had a gun that you gave the freedom to use, would you care if the child killed itself, or someone else? What kind of freedom is that and what kind of parent? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/203 "2012-10-09T12:23:33Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > The ten commandments. 😃 Did you know that most of the 10 commandments were a part of the Egyptian Book of the dead? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/204 "2012-10-09T12:30:46Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > But you don’t see that first I assume there is a world more real than this one, that governs this one. The only reason I take these actions in this world is because of that world. I first assume that that world is real. I have no reason to assume this world is real before I assume that that one is. Why do you first assume that one is real? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/205 "2012-10-09T12:51:30Z")
With no need for evidence, logic or reason, what the OP has proposed is the equivalent of “Last Thursdayism”. edited to add: And as I said before > [@Czarcasm](#): > > The assumption that this world is real is one we both make. This can be shown by your own actions during the day-you get up, you eat meals, you follow a schedule, you refrain from stepping out into oncoming traffic, you earn money, you send off payments for debts that are owed, you walk around trees instead through them, you respond automatically to others in one form or another, etc. I doubt that at any time during the day do you consider making any choices that run counter to the established reality of this world, and I doubt very much that you have ever gotten up in the morning and decided anything along the lines of “Today I will assume that tapwater tastes like grape soda”. No, you assume that the world you live in is _very_ real, because every action you take, conscious and unconscious, reflects that assumption. Don’t feel as if your beliefs are weak though-the same held true for Swedenborg. I have yet to see a proponent of this philosophy act as if they actually believed it. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/206 "2012-10-09T19:20:35Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I believe that God doesn’t exist. And Jesus, if he did exist was just a stinking primitive in ass-end of the middle-east. What is it that you think Jesus said that was primitive? Wasn’t he at the very least a man of peace and wisdom at a time when there wasn’t much of either (come to think of it, I don’t know there has ever been very much of either). At the very least he was a very righteous and spiritual man. [/QUOTE] > [@RedRain](#): > > Hell isn’t a punishment. It’s a home for people who like to do harm to others. They are allowed to leave, they just don’t want to. Do homosexuals go to your hell? Do suicides go to your hell? Do fornicators and masturbators go to your hell? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/207 "2012-10-09T19:29:29Z")
I don’t think **RedRain** is coming back-we went off script. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/208 "2012-10-09T19:30:51Z")
Spirits, give us a sign! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/209 "2012-10-09T19:35:02Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Spirits, give us a sign! [Groucho]You can keep the sign-I’ll take the spirits.[/Groucho] ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/210 "2012-10-09T19:37:11Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > What is it that you think Jesus said that was primitive? Wasn’t he at the very least a man of peace and wisdom at a time when there wasn’t much of either (come to think of it, I don’t know there has ever been very much of either). > > At the very least he was a very righteous and spiritual man. If his message has been related accurately, I’d say he was fairly enlightened for the time. That said, I say he was primitive in that he was born in a primitive area, not as an attack at him personally. But consider, you wouldn’t go to a first century engineer for advice on how to build a modern bridge. You wouldn’t go to a first century moneylender for advice on how to handle modern banking. You certainly wouldn’t go to a first century doctor for treatment if you had a choice. Similarly, I think it’s crazy to go to a first century person for advice on how to live your 21st century life. Jesus was born and died never knowing what caused thunder. He believed in Demons. Why should I care what he thought I should pray to? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/211 "2012-10-09T21:30:06Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > . . . Similarly, I think it’s crazy to go to a first century person for advice on how to live your 21st century life. . . . Yes and no… Some ideas are universally valid. We still go to a 3rd century BC philosopher for our logic! (And a 4th century BC philosopher for our square roots!) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/212 "2012-10-09T21:32:59Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > What is it that you think Jesus said that was primitive? Wasn’t he at the very least a man of peace and wisdom at a time when there wasn’t much of either (come to think of it, I don’t know there has ever been very much of either). I come not to bring peace, but a sword". He’s a mythological figure, not a man\* who is subject to heavy selective quoting to make him look like “a man of peace and wisdom” because at this time that’s popular. Even selecting only the nicer parts, what he said wasn’t particularly wise; on the contrary, it’s wholly impractical, which is why almost no one even tries to actually live the way he recommended. And teaching people that good = stupid is one of the many ways that Christianity has harmed our society. - While there was probably a real person the myth is based on, it’s unlikely he did or said much of what is attributed to him ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/213 "2012-10-09T22:37:54Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I thought Clapton was God? No, you’re thinking of Joe Pesci. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/214 "2012-10-09T23:05:11Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > I believe that Jesus is God. You can tell from how loving and wise He was. He said, ‘I and the Father are one.’ And it was also said of Him that He would be called Wonderful, Counselor, Might God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. > > Jesus is the everlasting Father. He is Love itself. > > God does not get angry. He does not frown on us or punish us. The only punishment that we receive is from ourselves. Our wicked ways punish us. > > God is always looking down on us with love. He is always smiling at us. 🙂 Buddha was also loving and wise and taught a lot of the same principles Jesus did. I believe Jesus was one of a handful of human immortals who have heightened healing and tissue regeneration abilities. He studied with Buddha and then 600 years later tried to teach those same things to the Jewish people who were being oppressed by the Romans. After he was crucified his body did it’s thing and healed and thus began the rumors. He now wanders the earth living a few decades hear and there often as a teacher. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/215 "2012-10-09T23:13:46Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No, you’re thinking of Joe Pesci. Morgan Freeman? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/216 "2012-10-09T23:33:41Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I believe Jesus was one of a handful of human immortals who have heightened healing and tissue regeneration abilities. He studied with Buddha and then 600 years later tried to teach those same things to the Jewish people who were being oppressed by the Romans. After he was crucified his body did it’s thing and healed and thus began the rumors. He now wanders the earth living a few decades hear and there often as a teacher. He also later met Buddha on the road and cut off Buddha’s head while screaming “There can be only one!” Jesus: “Hey, I met him on the road! I was just doing what Buddha said!” ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/217 "2012-10-09T23:36:19Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I believe Jesus was one of a handful of human immortals who have heightened healing and tissue regeneration abilities. He studied with Buddha and then 600 years later tried to teach those same things to the Jewish people who were being oppressed by the Romans. After he was crucified his body did it’s thing and healed and thus began the rumors. He now wanders the earth living a few decades hear and there often as a teacher. There can be only one! [Queen] Here we are, born to be kings. We’re the princes of the universe[/queen] ---
**Author:** ![Nazarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nazarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nazarene)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/218 "2012-10-10T03:00:25Z")
> [@RedRain](#): > > I believe that Jesus is God. You can tell from how loving and wise He was. He said, ‘I and the Father are one.’ And it was also said of Him that He would be called Wonderful, Counselor, Might God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. > > Jesus is the everlasting Father. He is Love itself. > > God does not get angry. He does not frown on us or punish us. The only punishment that we receive is from ourselves. Our wicked ways punish us. > > God is always looking down on us with love. He is always smiling at us. 🙂 You know nothing of my work. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/219 "2012-10-10T03:08:27Z")
> [@Jesus of Nazareth](#): > > You know nothing of my work. I know you allow eight-year-old boys to see their parents gunned down in alleys. I know that I cannot trust in you after such atrocity. I can only trust Batman. Your whole fallacy is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152/220 "2012-10-10T03:13:19Z")
> [@Jesus of Nazareth](#): > > You know nothing of my work. Well, you say a lot of contradictory stuff. You’re a hard man to nail down. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jesus-is-god/637152.md?page=12)